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Re:Clean environment could become U.N. human right by throwawaybchr on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @08:18AM (#28772211)
China has been denying people human rights daily, what does the UN do to them?
Re:Clean environment could become U.N. human right by bamboozled on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @08:20AM (#28772226)
China is a disgusting bully. They’re intentionally rattling people in Taiwan by flying war planes at them to “stress them out”.

The UN is a joke. Something should be done.

Re:Clean environment could become U.N. human right by croes on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @08:26AM (#28772281)
>The UN is a joke.

That is the way the UN was originally set up. The UN has no instruments of its own to enforce anything.

Re:Clean environment could become U.N. human right by caoilte on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @08:32AM (#28772340)
This is unhelpful whataboutery. China isn't directly relevant. I could just as truthfully point out that the USA is a disgusting bully and that would be unhelpful too.

We wouldn't think it reasonable if someone on trial for embezzlement asked the jury to acquit because there are other people out in the world committing murder.

We only put up with it in news and politics because we have normalized and accepted propaganda.

Re:Clean environment could become U.N. human right by z3ncyberpunk on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @08:47AM (#28772477)
No, you should confront and fix both problems. You're argument is entirely dismissive of China's actions.
Re:Clean environment could become U.N. human right by caoilte on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @01:12PM (#28775586)
No, you should confront and fix child prostitution. Your argument is entirely dismissive of the huge problem with trafficking of children. Why are China and the environment the only things you you care about? /s
Re:Clean environment could become U.N. human right by bamboozled on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @08:40AM (#28772418)
Wrong. The US is not flying bombers capable of carrying nuclear warheads at large populations just to intimidate them.
Re:Clean environment could become U.N. human right by fellodip on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @08:50AM (#28772491)
https://apnews.com/article/europe-europe-air-force-russia-7f...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/russia-mig-31-...

US does these things, its just not highlighted front page material in American press when it happens, so it goes unnoticed to American populations unlike when adversaries like Russia fly bombers near Alaska.

Also US conducted similar maneuvers as what China did to Taiwan but to Iraq preceeding the Iraq invasion.

Re:Clean environment could become U.N. human right by iszomer on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @10:15AM (#28773447)
Tit for tat or a part of a consistent NATO combat exercises? If this is the new norm for a Chinese excercise, they clearly are overcompensating: a fleet of them versus a trio of bombers.
Re:Clean environment could become U.N. human right by bamboozled on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @09:12AM (#28772709)
I re-read my original comment, I have no idea how the US was inject into this actually.
Re:Clean environment could become U.N. human right by sofixa on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @08:57AM (#28772568)
It does as the sibling commenter pointed out, furthemore it used to fly bombers with nuclear warheads around the clock, nearly bombing itself and its allies numerous times in the process.
Re:Clean environment could become U.N. human right by p_l on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @09:12AM (#28772710)
It also regularly played "chicken" with flying bombers into USSR space at one point, which nearly got us preemptive strike starting WW3
Re:Clean environment could become U.N. human right by caoilte on Sunday October 10, 2021 @03:06AM (#28816418)
Interestingly (I didn't know) the Chinese planes weren't even anywhere near Taiwan. This is an image of their route from Taiwan's defence ministry

https://mobile.twitter.com/MoNDefense/status/144397595657879...

This was a routine Chinese air patrol that got propagandized by the US.

Re:Clean environment could become U.N. human right by zohch on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @09:14AM (#28772749)
> This is unhelpful whataboutery. China isn't directly relevant.

It is. Because it is one of the biggest threats to human rights and to a clean environment. If UN can't tackle China, they are feckless, but of course we all know this. This is a stick to beat the west with while China and Russia and the new axis of evil get to keep running rough-shot over the rest of the world.

Re:Clean environment could become U.N. human right by modo_mario on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @09:35AM (#28772978)
>Because it is one of the biggest threats to human rights and to a clean environment.

So China just almost caught up to Europe as far as CO2 emissions per capita goes and is nowhere close to the US whilst putting measures to reverse the trend. That comparison used to be ridiculous just a few decades ago when they were comparatively massively underdeveloped.

Often this involves the whole blame-shifting where one poses one shouldn't do anything because there's someone doing less/worse. But in this case it's not even true. Not even if they lied about their numbers by

Re:Clean environment could become U.N. human right by zohch on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @09:47AM (#28773135)
> So China just almost caught up to Europe as far as CO2 emissions per capita goes and is nowhere close to the US whilst putting measures to reverse the trend

I said clean environment. Not sure why you are changing the subject, but lets see:

https://ourworldindata.org/plastic-pollution#top-20-river-so...

> Geographically we see that the majority of the most polluting rivers are located in Asia. River Yangtze, the top polluting river, had an input of approximately 333,000 tonnes in 2015 — over 4 percent of annual ocean plastic pollution.

> Often this involves the whole blame-shifting

Okay but then just don't shift the blame from countries that threatens a clean environment to countries that do not.

Re:Clean environment could become U.N. human right by croes on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @08:20AM (#28772231)
Just ask yourself why the UN lacks the power to do anything without permission by the big players.
Re:Clean environment could become U.N. human right by _hilro on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @08:41AM (#28772430)
Because sovereign nations and their citizens aren't going to kowtow to some unelected supranational organisation?

7 billion people in the world and they should all be ruled by a bunch of bureaucrats???

I hope that day never comes.

Re:Clean environment could become U.N. human right by croes on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @08:49AM (#28772486)
Sure, how to you explain the WTO and the IMF? 7 billion people in the world are already ruled by a bunch of bureaucrats. But it's ok if it's for profit and not human rights, I guess.
Re:Clean environment could become U.N. human right by snapcaster on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @09:08AM (#28772677)
I think both are bad. Have you ever met someone who dislikes the UN but loves the WTO and IMF? I think you're arguing against a strawman with this comment
Re:Clean environment could become U.N. human right by croes on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @09:28AM (#28772901)
I don't think so. The US and the EU seldom have a problem following the WTO or the IMF, but hardly do the same with the UN.
Re:Clean environment could become U.N. human right by refurb on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @10:33AM (#28773642)
Well IMF is entirely voluntary. They can recommend courses of action but the country can decide to pursue that course or not.

For WTO, no army is going to invade because you didn’t remove tariffs.

Re:Clean environment could become U.N. human right by vagrantJin on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @08:44AM (#28772454)
Wow. The anti-Chinese rhetoric on this thread is bordering on horrifying.

I had to ctrl+shift+F the webpage to see if I missed something on the Reuters article relating to China.

What does Chinese policy on human rights have anything to do with the above mentioned article?

Re:Clean environment could become U.N. human right by smoldesu on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @09:11AM (#28772707)
If I had to guess, it's because China is one of the most notoriously polluted countries that are also on the security council that will oversee this bill. While the United States and UK are pretty much guaranteed to veto, I think a lot of people are interpreting China as the swing vote here.
Re:Clean environment could become U.N. human right by breckenedge on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @09:38AM (#28773015)
According to the article, Russia also opposes it in the current form. Doesn’t really matter since it’s non binding and there’s no hope of this being ratified by the US Congress.
Re:Clean environment could become U.N. human right by zohch on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @09:52AM (#28773208)
Russia does not do anything of consequence without China's consent.
Re:Clean environment could become U.N. human right by tokai on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @08:21AM (#28772237)
They document their violations and condemn them.
Re:Clean environment could become U.N. human right by trasz on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @08:35AM (#28772367)
US has been droning innocent people like crazy, what does the UN do to them?

It's just as relevant as your comment.

Re:Clean environment could become U.N. human right by throwawaybchr on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @11:11AM (#28774089)
It is, I chose one example. Do I have to document all such examples?