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Re:New York's largest healthcare provider fires 1,400 unvacc... by lloydgrossman on Monday October 04, 2021 @06:44PM (#28753237)
...? The vaccine isn't a panacea that eradicates the virus. Vaccine means your viral load is going to be lower than the alternative and less likely to spread. You can be vaccinated and still spread the virus, but getting the hogs to stop running around so we can try and achieve herd immunity for those that aren't able to get the vaccine is a pretty obvious goal.
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Re:New York's largest healthcare provider fires 1,400 unvacc... by beervirus on Monday October 04, 2021 @06:51PM (#28753331)
It reduces your risk of serious illness to the point of irrelevance. If you’re vaccinated, you’re not quite at zero risk, but you’re close enough that the pandemic is over for you.

And delta is so transmissible that herd immunity is no longer achievable even with 100% vaccinated.

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Re:New York's largest healthcare provider fires 1,400 unvacc... by hanniabu on Monday October 04, 2021 @06:58PM (#28753423)
> It reduces your risk of serious illness to the point of irrelevance.

For the most part, and if you're healthy. Unfortunately in a hospital you're working with people that are vulnerable.

Why is this such a controversial thing anyways? In the past we've made vaccines mandatory.

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Re:New York's largest healthcare provider fires 1,400 unvacc... by beerandt on Monday October 04, 2021 @07:58PM (#28753936)
Because you're still allowing people who can transmit the disease around these "vulnerable" patients.

And the line drawn isn't even an arbitrary number, but an arbitrary policy with an assumed improvement.

An improvement that we know isn't good enough to prevent spread in populations with near 100% vaccination rates.

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Re:New York's largest healthcare provider fires 1,400 unvacc... by jjwiseman on Monday October 04, 2021 @09:02PM (#28754357)
It's a free, safe vaccine that significantly reduces the spread of the virus that has caused a global pandemic over the last 18 months or so. If you're a health care worker and you won't get vaccinated, you probably should find a new line of work.

It doesn't need to be 100% effective at stopping spread to be an excellent idea.

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Re:New York's largest healthcare provider fires 1,400 unvacc... by dkdk8283 on Monday October 04, 2021 @07:15PM (#28753587)
The vaccine isn’t without side effects, and there is still a debate about whether natural immunity is sufficient.
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Re:New York's largest healthcare provider fires 1,400 unvacc... by beervirus on Monday October 04, 2021 @09:27PM (#28754484)
The he side effects are trivial. Just get the vaccine and stop deluding yourself.
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Re:New York's largest healthcare provider fires 1,400 unvacc... by dkdk8283 on Thursday October 07, 2021 @04:32PM (#28791676)
No. You’re just assuming that it’s by choice.
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Re:New York's largest healthcare provider fires 1,400 unvacc... by woodruffw on Monday October 04, 2021 @06:58PM (#28753408)
> And delta is so transmissible that herd immunity is no longer achievable even with 100% vaccinated.

There is ample evidence that suggests the exact opposite[1].

[1]: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2106757

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Re:New York's largest healthcare provider fires 1,400 unvacc... by beervirus on Monday October 04, 2021 @07:01PM (#28753446)
That article isn’t about herd immunity.
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Re:New York's largest healthcare provider fires 1,400 unvacc... by munk-a on Monday October 04, 2021 @06:58PM (#28753411)
It doesn't reduce risk to irrelevance - there can still be some serious consequences - and the more unvaccinated people we've got around the more likely we're going to see even more variants which may bypass the efficacy of the vaccine and force us back into full lock downs.
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