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Re:New York's largest healthcare provider fires 1,400 unvacc... by mullen on Monday October 04, 2021 @06:42PM (#28753212)
No police powers are being used, so I don't see how that is relivate. Also, the Agencies are not going out of their mandate. OSHA was created to make the workplace safer and by mandating vaccines, they are.
Re:New York's largest healthcare provider fires 1,400 unvacc... by dantheman on Tuesday October 05, 2021 @11:40AM (#28760965)
OSHA was not designed or ever granted power to mandate vaccines, just like the CDC was granted power to stop evictions.

Can OSHA mandate that employers create rules that employees must pass a physical fitness test? Must become vegetarian?

Re:New York's largest healthcare provider fires 1,400 unvacc... by ryandrake on Tuesday October 05, 2021 @01:45PM (#28762857)
OSHA's charter is to reduce hazards in the workplace. Physical fitness tests have nothing to do with that. A deadly communicable disease that could be spread by co-workers falls squarely into the "workplace hazard" bucket.
Re:New York's largest healthcare provider fires 1,400 unvacc... by bpodgursky on Monday October 04, 2021 @06:51PM (#28753320)
Police powers are obviously being used... how do you think laws and regulations are enforced?

If a business violates the OSHA rules and then doesn't pay the penalties, they are shut down and, if the business continues operating in violation of the regulators, arrested. That's the obvious and implicit statement. The police do that!

The police aren't out raiding houses but the police powers are obviously being used; it's the state's monopoly on violence! It's the government's biggest lever!

Re:New York's largest healthcare provider fires 1,400 unvacc... by orf on Monday October 04, 2021 @06:59PM (#28753430)
So all federal laws are invalid?
Re:New York's largest healthcare provider fires 1,400 unvacc... by bpodgursky on Monday October 04, 2021 @07:17PM (#28753610)
No? All federal laws rely on the police to enforce them. I'm a realist, not an anarchist.

Just don't pretend that there isn't a clear threat of violence, when you are making laws that tell people what to do or take their money.

Re:New York's largest healthcare provider fires 1,400 unvacc... by orf on Monday October 04, 2021 @09:08PM (#28754386)
ok so the point about federal laws being invalid because they are enforced by the police is invalid?
Re:New York's largest healthcare provider fires 1,400 unvacc... by bpodgursky on Monday October 04, 2021 @11:04PM (#28755077)
Are you intentionally misreading what I wrote?

I never said anything about federal laws being invalid. I said they are enforced by police action. Which is obviously true.

Re:New York's largest healthcare provider fires 1,400 unvacc... by bobthechef on Monday October 04, 2021 @07:09PM (#28753523)
If you aren't vaccinated, you are fired because the government has mandated it. If you don't leave, you're trespassing and the police will most certainly going to be involved.

But in general, American oligarchs have figured out that private enterprise is a good way to circumvent constitutional and legal limits to their power.

This is also how the surveillance state came into existence. BigTech is a de facto arm of the government while maintaining legal separation. It does the dirty work because it doesn't have to play by the same rules government must. As naive libertarians like to say, it's private so it's all consensual so it's cool, man.