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Re:Facebook-owned sites were down by jart on Monday October 04, 2021 @03:39PM (#28751121)
Facebook should have had a panic room.

Operations teams normally have a special room with a secure connection for situations like this, so that production can be controlled in the event of bgp failure, nuclear war, etc. I could see physical presence being an issue if their bgp router depends on something like a crypto module in a locked cage, in which case there's always helicopters.

So if anything, Facebook's labor policies are about to become cooler.

Re:Facebook-owned sites were down by samhw on Monday October 04, 2021 @04:52PM (#28751938)
Yup, it's terrifying how much is ultimately, ultimately dependent on dongles and trust. I used to work at a company with a billion or so in a bank account (obviously a rather special type of account), which was ultimately authorised by three very trusted people who were given dongles.
Re:Facebook-owned sites were down by cyberpunk on Monday October 04, 2021 @06:29PM (#28753009)
What did the dongles do?
Re:Facebook-owned sites were down by samhw on Monday October 04, 2021 @07:07PM (#28753508)
Sorry, I should have been clearer - the dongles controlled access to that bank account. It was a bank account for banks to hold funds in. (Not our real capital reserves, but sort of like a current account / checking account for banks.)

I was friends with one of those people, and I remember a major panic one time when 2 out of 3 dongles went missing. I'm not sure if we ever found out whether it was some kind of physical pen test, or an astonishingly well-planned heist which almost succeeded - or else a genuine, wildly improbable accident.

Re:Facebook-owned sites were down by mike_d on Monday October 04, 2021 @03:57PM (#28751312)
I would be absolutely shocked if they didn't.

The problem is when your networking core goes down, even if you get in via a backup DSL connection or something to the datacenter, you can't get from your jump host to anything else.

Re:Facebook-owned sites were down by jart on Monday October 04, 2021 @05:43PM (#28752453)
It helps if your dsl line is is bridging at layer 2 in the osi model using rotated psks, so it won't be impacted by dns/bgp/auth/routing failures. That's why you need to put it in a panic room.
Re:Facebook-owned sites were down by sulam on Monday October 04, 2021 @05:14PM (#28752158)
That model works great, until you need to ask for permission to go into the office, and the way to get permission is to use internal email and ticketing systems, which are also down.
Re:Facebook-owned sites were down by jart on Tuesday October 05, 2021 @06:00AM (#28757288)
Operations teams don't need permission from some apparatchik to enter the office when production goes down. If they can't get in, they drill.
Re:Facebook-owned sites were down by Sebb767 on Monday October 04, 2021 @05:51PM (#28752535)
> nuclear war

I think you need some convincing to keep your SREs on-site in case of a nuclear war ;)

Re:Facebook-owned sites were down by cyberpunk on Monday October 04, 2021 @06:30PM (#28753024)
Hey, if I can take the kids and there’s food for a decade and a bunker I’m probably in ;)