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Re:The new dot com bubble is online advertising (2019) by missedthecue on Friday October 01, 2021 @11:02PM (#28725555)
Funnily enough, the ad based tech companies have the most reasonable stock prices. Facebook and Google are massively profitable, still growing at double digit rates, and each have only mid twenties PE ratios (the same as Caterpillar Heavy Equipment, or electric utilities like ConEd and PG&E).

Meanwhile there are companies out there like Lordstown Motors, Lucid, and Nikola, which have never sold a product but have billion dollar market caps. Nikola is universally known as a fraud, somehow has negative revenue, and is still worth $5 billion. EVs are the real bubble.

Re:The new dot com bubble is online advertising (2019) by JohnJamesRambo on Saturday October 02, 2021 @03:38AM (#28726780)
https://www.currentmarketvaluation.com/models/price-earnings...

I agree with some of what you are saying, but on a deeper level I don’t think a 25 PE ratio is particularly healthy so I’d say the real bubble is an everything bubble we are currently in. Facebook and Google have some of the lower PE ratios right now because they actually have earnings.

>The current S&P500 10-year P/E Ratio is 37.8. This is 91% above the modern-era market average of 19.6, putting the current P/E 2.3 standard deviations above the modern-era average.

Re:The new dot com bubble is online advertising (2019) by ashtonkem on Friday October 01, 2021 @11:40PM (#28725756)
Some EV brands are clearly frauds, but with Ford introducing its second EV next year, calling all of EVs a bubble is a huge leap.
Re:The new dot com bubble is online advertising (2019) by missedthecue on Saturday October 02, 2021 @12:02AM (#28725863)
I'm not saying EVs are useless, or vaporware. Maintaining the comparison here, you look back and can see that the internet was clearly incredibly valuable and impactful in essentially every describable way, but there was still a dotcom bubble full of egregious excess.
Re:The new dot com bubble is online advertising (2019) by hakfoo on Saturday October 02, 2021 @08:51PM (#28733583)
Years ago, I read a book that categorized the development of consumer products in a three-phase evolution:

Phase 1 - Small firms serving whatever they could shove out to market in a scattershot way. Think of the early 1900s automakers who made 30 cars each before closing or merging away.

Phase 2 - Volume scale products are established which rolls over much of the market with economies of scale and price-first design. The Ford Model T is the canonical example.

Phase 3 - Brands get established to target different consumer niches rather than direct price competition. Think of the golden era of GM where there was more or less a clear market segment and message behind Pontiac vs. Chevrolet vs. Buick.

I think many investors see EVs as a "Phase 1" product-- they're willing to bite on hype and random bad ideas, because they expect someone is going to execute big to become the Phase 2 market leader, or even end up as a focused, high-margin Phase 3 brand. We don't know who that is now, so bet on everyone!

On the other hand, there's an equally compelling argument that EVs are less a new market and more a variant of the overall automotive business that's already reached "Phase 3". Existing brands know their places and markets already, so there may not be that much realignment as they replace fuel tanks with batteries.

Tesla has proven it's possible to muscle into the market, but a lot of that was by identifying an unserved niche (the luxury consumer-covetable EV, instead of the minimal-for-legal compliance EV intended to sell to government fleets) which provided enough volume and high-margin sales to bootstrap their play. They couldn't have competed by trying to sell the Model 3 in 2012.

Re:The new dot com bubble is online advertising (2019) by baby on Saturday October 02, 2021 @04:26AM (#28726999)
The stock price of facebook is just weirdly undervalued.
Re:The new dot com bubble is online advertising (2019) by somedude895 on Saturday October 02, 2021 @09:42AM (#28728501)
There's significant risks from possible regulation, anti-trust measures and such.
Re:The new dot com bubble is online advertising (2019) by runawaybottle on Friday October 01, 2021 @11:25PM (#28725679)
They are naive, they really think advertising doesn’t work. It works it’s ass off. You can’t find one identity that isn’t influenced by it.

Real programmers use vim. I could sell that for ages. Don’t play games with advertising, you are just as much of a cuck as everyone else (rhetorically speaking, not you specifically).

Anyways, real programmers read HN. I could sell that forever. You think you’re smarter than all of this? Real programmers _______, and by god, you will fucking buy it. Here’s some Rust for you, you real programmer. I’ll inundate you, this stuff works.