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Re:Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing v... by hiisukun on Thursday September 30, 2021 @10:17PM (#28713770)
In Australian law, and I'd imagine generally in many other countries, intent is a big part of judging a wrong. But of course, it's possible to cause harm without intending to, so there are other things to consider. Common phrases are 'reckless disregard', 'willfully ignorant', 'negligent' or sometimes 'lack of consideration' (which is different to intent).

Obviously it isn't a binary situation with either intent or impact being the sole arbiter - so the baseline used in almost all situations is the 'ordinary' or 'objective' standards. These can vary depending on the environment and context, and are simply defined because they are hard to define across all scenarios.

I guess I find it surprising that a code of conduct like this should sway between intent and impact in quite so binary a fashion -- human behaviour isn't software.

Re:Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing v... by MadeThisToReply on Friday October 01, 2021 @07:16AM (#28716945)
> intent is a big part of judging a wrong

As well as being a bedrock principle of the law, it's also basic common sense. If I accidentally step on your toe, that's obviously different to me deliberately stamping on your toe in an intentional attempt to injure you. If you set out to deliberately injure your colleagues then this is OBVIOUSLY different from doing the same thing accidentally and should be treated differently - and anyone with a working brain can see this.

The idea that "intent doesn't matter" is preposterous. Accepting it as a premise leads to insane and preposterous conclusions that no-one believes. People who say that "intent doesn't matter" don't actually believe it.

Re:Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing v... by brabel on Friday October 01, 2021 @07:35AM (#28717123)
People do believe it, because thinking that intent matters makes it impossible to defend their other position: that the most important thing is how the "offense" is received.

If intent matters (as you say, anyone with half a brain knows it does), then if you receive my comment as being offensive, I am still right because I didn't mean to offend you. What they want is to make sure they can tell me I'm wrong anyway because the person was offended... hence, my intention didn't matter.

Re:Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing v... by ungamed on Friday October 01, 2021 @08:37AM (#28717682)
Offending someone doesn't make your position wrong, it may make you an asshole in their eyes, but it doesn't make you wrong.
Re:Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing v... by angelzen on Friday October 01, 2021 @10:01AM (#28718537)
Speaking of 'you stepped on my toe', that is a classic schoolyard bully line.