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Re:Sparta was more than an army of super warriors by dragontamer on Thursday September 30, 2021 @06:31PM (#28712113)
It doesn't matter how "tough" Spartans were. They were largely illiterate and terrible at logistics. Its hard to win battles when you're terrible at supply lines. And its hard to keep track of supplies if you don't know how to read or write.

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I've commonly heard that Spartans were good at fighting but bad at war. Turns out that a band of illiterate warriors is largely a bad idea for an army composition. If the war goes on too long, they simply run out of supplies and leave (Or, if they're forced to fight, they run out of supplies and lose)

Re:Sparta was more than an army of super warriors by hef19898 on Thursday September 30, 2021 @06:44PM (#28712233)
Ever since decisive battles stopped being a thing with industrialization, I know one European country that started and lost two world wars due deficits in strategy, operations and supply. Tactically it wasn't too bad so.
Re:Sparta was more than an army of super warriors by arisAlexis on Friday October 01, 2021 @08:40AM (#28717700)
Someone on the internet "commonly heard". Ok.
Re:Sparta was more than an army of super warriors by dragontamer on Friday October 01, 2021 @11:36AM (#28719817)
The propaganda of an elite class of warriors is useful. It's basically why the US Marines exist, and such stories are useful for recruitment and morale purposes. (Furthermore: Army can pickup on the engineering, supply and logistics problems).

But there is also the truth and history that we want to learn about sometimes. I think the Spartan mythos was useful to other Greeks, and the Spartan mythos remains useful today (in the form of US Marines).

But the myth is distinct from the real and actual history. It is beneficial to peel back the propaganda sometimes and analyze history for what it is.

Spartans did not win battles more often than others. Spartans couldn't field an army for extended periods of time. Etc. Etc. And yet we have these stories and written history of how great a warrior they were.

Thus: they probably were good at fighting (almost universally accepted). But war is more than just a fight. All the other bits of war were hampered by Spartan society, most noticably their illiteracy.