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Re:A bit of math around Cloudflare's R2 pricing model by dannyw on Thursday September 30, 2021 @12:16AM (#28703118)
Per operation charges, even if at the same level as EC2, would still be substantially cheaper.

The lack of 9c per GB to egress is the killer.

I can rent unlimited 250mbit servers for 14 euros a month from Scaleway. It is truly unmetered; I've been a customer for years and do about 40 terabytes of egress a month on this box.

AWS would charge me $3800 for the egress alone (using the calculator). That is certainly almost all pure margin for them, when Scaleway will happily let me egress 40TB a month for years on 13.99 euro per month (plus I get a low-spec bare metal server at this price too).

Re:A bit of math around Cloudflare's R2 pricing model by judge2020 on Thursday September 30, 2021 @01:02AM (#28703368)
> That is certainly almost all pure margin for them,

Yes. While there is a pretty hefty up-front cost to all the hardware and fiber interconnects AWS makes between servers, between AZs, and to the internet (probably in the millions per-dc including labor), the margin they charge per-gb is insanely high to the point where they likely made all of it back within the first day it was installed, with any extra usage in the years after being pure margin.

https://blog.cloudflare.com/aws-egregious-egress/

Re:A bit of math around Cloudflare's R2 pricing model by celsoazevedo on Thursday September 30, 2021 @01:08AM (#28703393)
> I can rent unlimited 250mbit servers for 14 euros a month from Scaleway.

If we're looking only at egress, we can even find cheaper alternatives. OVH, for example, offers VPS' with 500Mbps unlimited for 10 euros a month, 1Gbps for 20 euros, etc.

Re:A bit of math around Cloudflare's R2 pricing model by bierjunge on Friday October 01, 2021 @06:25AM (#28716623)
I have a small Hetzner Cloud VPS with 20TB egress 100Mbps included for about 3€/month. The prices for new instances got up a few weeks ago, because of IPv4 prices, but they are still about 4€.

It's not unlimited, but 20TB is more than enough for the most use cases.

Re:A bit of math around Cloudflare's R2 pricing model by nobleach on Thursday September 30, 2021 @10:47AM (#28706929)
I wish this were available in the US...
Re:A bit of math around Cloudflare's R2 pricing model by vel0city on Monday October 04, 2021 @12:51PM (#28749293)
There are VPS providers in the US that offer unmetered bandwidth. One quick example I could think of was Hostgator.

https://www.hostgator.com/vps-hosting

Re:A bit of math around Cloudflare's R2 pricing model by behrlich on Tuesday October 05, 2021 @11:15AM (#28760577)
> For example, customers who are using 25% or more of system resources for longer than 90 seconds would be in violation of our Terms of Service. Please see our Terms of Service or contact us with any questions.

Not really...

Re:A bit of math around Cloudflare's R2 pricing model by vel0city on Tuesday October 05, 2021 @12:29PM (#28761669)
I'm not sure where that quote comes from (its usually useful to provide a link to what you're quoting) but their VPS ToS does not list any network limits. As long as you're not 2x overloading the CPU on your VPS for more than 15min average it looks like you really do have unlimited bandwidth. I'm wondering if you were looking at their Shared Hosting?

https://www.hostgator.com/tos/vps-tos

VPS accounts may not:

exceed a 15 minute load average greater than two (2) times the amount of CPU cores given.

run public IRCd's or malicious bots.

run any type of BitTorrent client or tracker that links to or downloads illegal content.

use an Open/Public proxy, or utilize a proxy to access illegal/malicious content.

se I/O intensive applications which adversely affect normal server operations.

I do see they have a bit of a vague way of getting out of hosting you if you're really being excessive on the network throughput. It largely sounds like as long as your network usage isn't causing other customer impacts its still unlimited. I imagine even OVH or any other hosting service will have similar terminology along the lines of any usage that negatively impacts other customers is prohibited.

https://www.hostgator.com/tos/acceptable-use-policy

You may not consume excessive amounts of server or network resources or use the Services in any way which results in server performance issues or which interrupts service for other customers. Prohibited activities that contribute to excessive use, include without limitation:

Hosting or linking to an anonymous proxy server;

Operating a file sharing site;

Hosting scripts or processes that adversely impact our systems; or

Utilizing software that interfaces with an Internet Relay Chat (IRC) network.

Re:A bit of math around Cloudflare's R2 pricing model by behrlich on Tuesday October 05, 2021 @03:25PM (#28764376)
The quote is from the “information” icon next to “Unmetered bandwidth” on the page you posted.
Re:A bit of math around Cloudflare's R2 pricing model by celsoazevedo on Thursday September 30, 2021 @11:37AM (#28707587)
There's two locations in the US (only available via the US website/OVHcloud - I think) and at least one in Canada.
Re:A bit of math around Cloudflare's R2 pricing model by tyingq on Thursday September 30, 2021 @11:34AM (#28707561)
Re:A bit of math around Cloudflare's R2 pricing model by nobleach on Thursday September 30, 2021 @02:46PM (#28709675)
My apologies. I meant Scaleway. I was looking more for the k8s integration.
Re:A bit of math around Cloudflare's R2 pricing model by tyingq on Thursday September 30, 2021 @02:55PM (#28709841)
Ah. Ok. There's this: https://us.ovhcloud.com/public-cloud/kubernetes/

Though I don't know how well it compares.

Edit: pricing: https://us.ovhcloud.com/public-cloud/prices/#containers-and-...

Re:A bit of math around Cloudflare's R2 pricing model by kondro on Thursday September 30, 2021 @01:00AM (#28703352)
Lack of egress charge is great for write once, read a lot.

But for write once, read a handful of times (e.g. a webhook system that basically is write once, read once of <32KB objects with long history for either redelivery attempts or replaying the entire stream for a point of time), request prices end up being the biggest cost.

Re:A bit of math around Cloudflare's R2 pricing model by l-lousy on Thursday September 30, 2021 @05:43AM (#28704593)
Not if, as R2 says, they only charge for objects that exceed a single digit request per second threshold. Your write once read once model still only costs as much as the storage at rest would.
Re:A bit of math around Cloudflare's R2 pricing model by kondro on Thursday September 30, 2021 @09:00AM (#28705774)
I don’t think they mentioned this would be “per object” and I assumed they meant per account.

Free per object requests is super game-able. Want 1000 free requests per second, just rotate through 100 identical objects.

Re:A bit of math around Cloudflare's R2 pricing model by piaste on Thursday September 30, 2021 @03:08PM (#28710045)
But then you're multiplying your storage costs 100x, aren't you?
Re:A bit of math around Cloudflare's R2 pricing model by kondro on Thursday September 30, 2021 @03:48PM (#28710496)
Which are often significantly lower than request (and egress) charges.

1,000 reads per second is 2.6 billion per month. At S3 prices, that wound cost around $1,040.

100x storage is pretty minimal to achieve this. For example:

100x 128KiB = $0.000192/month

100x 10MiB = $0.015/month

100x 1GiB = $1.50/month

Re:A bit of math around Cloudflare's R2 pricing model by sfredd on Thursday September 30, 2021 @12:22AM (#28703159)
Not disagreeing with you! Just pointing out that there will be additional costs over just 13 cents. Excited to check out R2.
Re:A bit of math around Cloudflare's R2 pricing model by prirun on Thursday September 30, 2021 @03:18PM (#28710175)
Even on S3, operations costs are a very tiny fraction of bandwidth costs:

https://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/ https://www.backblaze.com/b2/b2-transactions-price.html