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Re:I Like PHP by MatthewPhillips on Wednesday August 10, 2011 @03:34PM (#2869810)
Of course it is impossible to do dynamic web pages without mixing code and markup, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. It's just that in PHP it is possible to one single file that is both code and markup combined, whereas other languages require a separate logic file that sends data to templates.
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Re:I Like PHP by btilly on Wednesday August 10, 2011 @04:17PM (#2869984)
That is NOT a result of the language. It is trivial in any language to combine both code and markup. However people using other languages generally work to avoid that.

That said, there is a long-standing tension between keeping logic out of templates, and giving templates more flexibility. Different frameworks take different positions on how to draw the line. PHP can be seen as an extreme position towards giving templates as much power as possible.

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Re:I Like PHP by geon on Wednesday August 10, 2011 @05:37PM (#2870324)
> That is NOT a result of the language.

Considering PHP is more-or-less designed to be a templating language, I'd say it is. Partly.

On the other hand, PHP is a pretty good templating language. People should just learn to separate business logic from presentation logic.

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Re:I Like PHP by btilly on Wednesday August 10, 2011 @06:12PM (#2870438)
It is possible to write clean, well-factored code in PHP. Just as it is in other languages.

That wasn't how the language was originally intended to be written, and that is not how hordes of people use it. But it can be done. Really.

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Re:I Like PHP by bricestacey on Wednesday August 10, 2011 @11:01PM (#2871155)
PHP is designed to be embedded in HTML. That is why you must use the enclosing <?php ?> tags in all PHP scripts. Even when you run standalone php scripts from the the command line, you're literally embedding PHP in STDOUT.

This is very different from other languages such as ruby where templating uses the ERB module, which is a subset of the ruby language.

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