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Re:You either die an MVP or live long enough to build conten... by unethical_ban on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @02:15PM (#28685762)
This is false. 4chan, some early reddit, voat, and a number of other sites.

Moreover, that's the point: it's as i.possible to have a healthy anonymous forum available to the world as it is to have a large society with no laws or government, that isn't dystopian.

Re:You either die an MVP or live long enough to build conten... by commandlinefan on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @02:20PM (#28685812)
> early reddit

Reddit is the best example of why heavy moderation is worse than lack of moderation.

Re:You either die an MVP or live long enough to build conten... by unethical_ban on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @02:42PM (#28686024)
It's a difficult problem.

No moderation = porn, gore and nazi discussion. Period.

"Light" moderation often = bad-faith trolls taking advantage of your moderation.

HN does a good job of moderating for civility and effort of the post, rather than ideology.

Here's the thing: Talking about controversial topics, or debating with people who think differently than you, takes a lot of effort online, because there are so many trolls and others baiting you into defending a position without putting any effort to explain their own.

So yeah, heavy moderation is an unfortunate necessity in some forums.

Re:You either die an MVP or live long enough to build conten... by TulliusCicero on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @12:05AM (#28690200)
I don't see it as an unfortunate thing for private spaces. It's very natural, and realistically the span of opinions where you can get productive dialogue going between people is not infinite. You're never going to get any useful discussion from, say, anarchists and neo-nazis talking to each other.
Re:You either die an MVP or live long enough to build conten... by ronsor on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @02:28PM (#28685894)
That's only because the most powerful reddit moderators are basically corrupt dictators.
Re:You either die an MVP or live long enough to build conten... by commandlinefan on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @02:31PM (#28685925)
It's not just reddit, though - if you're going to start moderating, you have a meta-problem to address which is what to do about opinionated moderators.
Re:You either die an MVP or live long enough to build conten... by raxxorrax on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @07:31AM (#28692366)
It also puts the moderator under pressure. User will start ushering demands what you should ban. In worst case law enforcement too.

I don't really understand why people waste so much time getting something removed instead of just reading something else, but there are whole communities that live for banning others by now.

In a larger legal scope platforms are under heavy scrutiny by moral busybodies right now.

Re:You either die an MVP or live long enough to build conten... by unethical_ban on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @02:43PM (#28686029)
All mods are opinionated. They're either humans, or bots programmed by humans. I don't see why you're trying to deny humanity to moderators.
Re:You either die an MVP or live long enough to build conten... by ronsor on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @07:00PM (#28688457)
All judges are opinionated. They're humans. I don't see why you're trying to deny humanity to judges.

Read the above and reconsider if your argument makes sense. It stands to reason that if you have any position of "power," even if it's just "random internet moderator," you should at least try to be fair, consistent, and reasonable.