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Re:Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip f... by new_guy on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @08:33AM (#28682008)
Probably a good time to remind people that this entire planet is 70% water. Water shortage shouldn't be a thing, but greed and short sightedness is.
Re:Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip f... by Cthulhu_ on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @08:41AM (#28682061)
Probably a good time to remind people that only 3% of that is fresh water. Fresh water shortage is definitely a thing.
Re:Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip f... by coldacid on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @09:18AM (#28682398)
Desalinization is a thing, and one that's often overlooked because the people holding the purse strings are generally cheap-asses.
Re:Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip f... by NineStarPoint on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @10:14AM (#28683009)
Desalinization is an extremely energy intensive process for the amount of water we use. Eventually we probably will produce so much energy that that’s less of a concern, but at the moment we’re having plenty of issues getting our fossil fuel usages lowered without adding Desalinization to our civilization’s requirements.
Re:Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip f... by standardUser on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @02:38PM (#28685989)
Desalination can be achieved using the cheapest energy source there is, solar.
Re:Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip f... by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @09:34AM (#28682570)
Desalination requires high energy inputs. It also creates highly salted water as waste (some gets cleaned, other water gets i cleaned) that is difficult to deal with. Given cheap energy and somewhere to store the waste water, it could be viable.
Re:Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip f... by thrashh on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @08:54AM (#28682170)
It’s not greed and shortsightedness.

It’s logistics. Logistics is expensive af

Re:Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip f... by matheusmoreira on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @09:10AM (#28682327)
> Water shortage shouldn't be a thing, but greed and short sightedness is.

Yup. We'll never ever run out of water. Whatever problems arise, there are solutions for them. People just don't want to pay. They want it cheap and convenient.

Re:Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip f... by pope_meat on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @09:33AM (#28682563)
I don't want to be priced out of the water market the same way I got priced out of the housing market.

But then again, sacrifices must be made to the profit gods, it is the way.

Sigh.

Re:Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip f... by matheusmoreira on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @09:43AM (#28682676)
Water should be a basic human right. No human should ever be priced out. Whatever infrastructure is needed to bring potable water to people, the government should pay for it. The whole point of governments is to pay for basic infrastructure like this. Taxes ought to fund something other than politician corruption.

Corporations on the other hand have no human rights at all. They can and should be priced out.

Re:Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip f... by TimTheTinker on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @10:45AM (#28683425)
> The whole point of governments is to pay for basic infrastructure like this.

That's a pretty steep oversimplification there. Governments usually exist to promote justice and rule-of-law, keep people safe from internal and external threats to their physical safety, and to protect individual freedoms and liberty.

Paying for infrastructure is only a small part of all of that.

Re:Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip f... by matheusmoreira on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @03:15PM (#28686320)
Everything you cited is part of the common good. So is infrastructure. Governments exist to pay for this stuff, especially the unprofitable endeavors that benefit everyone.

They essentially rob their population in order to do it. If a government isn't paying, it's corrupt.

Re:Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip f... by tcmart14 on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @02:27AM (#28690838)
I dont want to speak directly for the person you are replying to, but I think the point they are trying to make is this. Government exists for lots of reasons. If government has to spend more money to provide fresh water of the people (as it should if needed), it costs more. To cover the costs, there are two direct resources. Higher taxes or taking funds from elsewhere. Higher taxes would also mean less funds to draw from for other projects.

And I dont think it is to be taken in an anti-tax way, but a statement on resource allocation. If water becomes expensive for the people and government needs to subsidize or up subsidies, is there a risk that infrastructure for bridges get ignored to keep taxes low? Or to not tax people into poverty. Of course we can offset this with closing loop holes and upping taxes on the higher brackets.

Re:Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip f... by brewdad on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @02:00PM (#28685578)
Wouldn't ensuring a reliable supply of safe drinking water fall under keeping people safe from threats to their physical safety?
Re:Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip f... by TimTheTinker on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @06:08PM (#28688079)
Technically, no. But safe drinking water does fall under other categories of "promoting the general welfare", so that's not to say it shouldn't be under government's purview.
Re:Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip f... by rmah on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @11:18AM (#28683825)
That will only happen if you live in a region that is arid or semi-arid. Most of the US is literally overflowing with fresh water and almost all the expense for water is related to simply piping it to you or cleaning up the wastewater you create. For the vast majority of people in the USA, water is very cheap.