WhatsApp – About multi-device beta

Re:WhatsApp – About multi-device beta by scrollaway on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @07:52AM (#28681706)

Closed IM protocols aren’t standards so this doesn’t really apply. There’s only three realistic “standards” in instant messaging: irc, xmpp and matrix. IRC is essentially dead, xmpp is on its last leg and mostly irrelevant, and matrix is very promising just not popular enough yet.

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Re:WhatsApp – About multi-device beta by tapoxi on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @08:21AM (#28681938)

XMPP is widely deployed and it's the backbone of WhatsApp, you don't see a lot of servers that openly federate XMPP because there's little business incentive to do so.

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Re:WhatsApp – About multi-device beta by scrollaway on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @10:05AM (#28682927)

Xmpp can continue being a server side protocol all you want, it doesn’t make it a user facing protocol. So in terms of federated or at least cross compatible IM clients it’s irrelevant.

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Re:WhatsApp – About multi-device beta by rohithkp on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @04:07PM (#28686904)

Doesn't Apple implement XMPP for iMessage as well?

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Re:WhatsApp – About multi-device beta by zaik on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @08:13AM (#28681870)

> xmpp is on its last leg

Why? Unlike Matrix it's actually an Internet Standard.

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Re:WhatsApp – About multi-device beta by grandpoobah on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @08:21AM (#28681939)

It's had about 20 years to hit the bigtime, I think we can safely say it's not going to happen.

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Re:WhatsApp – About multi-device beta by MattJ100 on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @08:44AM (#28682078)

A mere protocol will never "hit the bigtime" without some compelling (non-protocol) reason. It's unfortunate that businesses choose to build silos time and time again, but that's where we are - it's not an issue that can be solved at the protocol level.

Should this be fixed (e.g. through regulation), XMPP is absolutely a sound choice - given, as you say, its 20 years of experience, evolution and deployment track record.

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Re:WhatsApp – About multi-device beta by kitkat_new on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @09:13AM (#28682351)

honestly, given the current adoption, growth and state of the ecosystem, I don't think it is.

In theory, you could achieve with it what Matrix achieves, but it would probably be more feasible to start from scratch - like Matrix did

That said, I see how it currently has advantages when it comes to resource consumption as well as internal deployment to centralized services.

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Re:WhatsApp – About multi-device beta by upofadown on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @08:40AM (#28682055)

So what is the bigtime open messaging standard?

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Re:WhatsApp – About multi-device beta by kitkat_new on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @09:05AM (#28682272)

there isn't any.

But if I would have to bet on a standard which could become it right now, then it would be Matrix.

It convinces when it comes to adoption, concept, features and growth.

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Re:WhatsApp – About multi-device beta by kitkat_new on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @09:26AM (#28682485)

> argument from authority

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

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