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Re:Leaked grant proposal details high-risk coronavirus research by teh_klev on Friday September 24, 2021 @08:57PM (#28649420)
I don't want to diminish the work of "epidemiologist"'s but they aren't virologists. They're ultimately specialised statisticians and shouldn't have any say in how or what research is carried out.
Re:Leaked grant proposal details high-risk coronavirus research by rapind on Friday September 24, 2021 @09:19PM (#28649541)
What? I’m no virologist or epidemiologist and yet I definitely want to have a say. And when physicists start creating black holes, and AI researchers start creating thinking killer robots, and generals go to war, etc.

I value expert opinions but oversight is necessary.

Re:Leaked grant proposal details high-risk coronavirus research by teh_klev on Friday September 24, 2021 @09:37PM (#28649639)
> What? I’m no virologist or epidemiologist and yet I definitely want to have a say

Well there you go.

Re:Leaked grant proposal details high-risk coronavirus research by leereeves on Friday September 24, 2021 @09:06PM (#28649457)
Epidemiologists study the spread of diseases and their impact on communities. That's an important factor to consider when judging the potential impact of risky research, and it's not something virologists are trained in.
Re:Leaked grant proposal details high-risk coronavirus research by teh_klev on Friday September 24, 2021 @09:14PM (#28649502)
Sorry, but epidemiologists have no ability to make these predictions. Epidemiologists generally work in the field of "who, when, and where" based on historical data evidence.
Re:Leaked grant proposal details high-risk coronavirus research by leereeves on Friday September 24, 2021 @09:19PM (#28649540)
Mathematical disease modelling is also part of epidemiology. You may have seen their work discussed in the press early in the COVID epidemic when they predicted the possible death count and the likely impact of various interventions.
Re:Leaked grant proposal details high-risk coronavirus research by teh_klev on Friday September 24, 2021 @09:28PM (#28649598)
Well what were their predictions vs actual outcome?
Re:Leaked grant proposal details high-risk coronavirus research by diatone on Saturday September 25, 2021 @12:08AM (#28650445)
Speaking from experience, last year we had an outbreak in Melbourne, Australia. The local government's response was guided by modelling from epidemiologists (and others), and went on to match the peak and length of the outbreak to the model's estimations almost down to the day[0].

[0]: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-29/coronavirus-melbourne...

Re:Leaked grant proposal details high-risk coronavirus research by runsWphotons on Saturday September 25, 2021 @03:20AM (#28651198)
They seem to be doing fairly well now, as well.
Re:Leaked grant proposal details high-risk coronavirus research by djenendik on Friday September 24, 2021 @09:03PM (#28649443)
Only a virologist should tell another virologist what to do. Got it.
Re:Leaked grant proposal details high-risk coronavirus research by teh_klev on Friday September 24, 2021 @09:06PM (#28649455)
Nope, a panel of virologists and related researchers with the same scientific understanding in the field should make these decisions.
Re:Leaked grant proposal details high-risk coronavirus research by djenendik on Friday September 24, 2021 @09:14PM (#28649503)
It's ok to have wishful thinking. Plenty of grants include virologists and epidemiologists, so your proposal isn't practical.
Re:Leaked grant proposal details high-risk coronavirus research by teh_klev on Friday September 24, 2021 @09:18PM (#28649529)
Sure, they could provide anecdotal input based on past outbreaks, but they don't have the biological expertise to decide solely on what research should or could be carried out.
Re:Leaked grant proposal details high-risk coronavirus research by djenendik on Friday September 24, 2021 @09:39PM (#28649653)
Anecdotally, that's not my experience with epi people. A fair few come from a bio/medicine background with a sufficient amount of experience in wet lab and theory to be considered a 'double threat'. Choose your own team.
Re:Leaked grant proposal details high-risk coronavirus research by teh_klev on Friday September 24, 2021 @09:50PM (#28649715)
"Anecdotally"
Re:Leaked grant proposal details high-risk coronavirus research by djenendik on Friday September 24, 2021 @09:55PM (#28649742)
That was a reference to your previous comment. Does anecdotal count for nothing? Fine, run a survey of virologists and epidemiologists and report the intersection of set. It will not be arbitrarily small.
Re:Leaked grant proposal details high-risk coronavirus research by djenendik on Friday September 24, 2021 @10:16PM (#28649869)
I looked through the grant. To my eye, I consider some of the participants as epidemiologists.