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Re:Tether is under undisclosed SEC investigation, FOIA blocked by trident5000 on Friday September 24, 2021 @01:02PM (#28645054)
If tether went belly up what would happen is everyone would sell their tether for BTC and other cryptos (whatever they can get into) and you would have the largest squeeze of all time. We actually witnessed this during the tether freak out saga a couple years ago where BTC on the bitfinex exchange was priced like 10 or 15% higher than the rest of the market. I wouldnt mind just getting it over with. Then we could get that over with an just have USD trading. But what most likely will happen is they will just be forced to comply with certain rules.
Re:Tether is under undisclosed SEC investigation, FOIA blocked by rcohngru on Friday September 24, 2021 @01:17PM (#28645268)
The thought process here is that if you're stuck holding tether if/when it collapses, you can just sell for a crypto that hasn't collapsed. But who in their right minds would want to trade something of value for something that has just been shown to be worth $0?
Re:Tether is under undisclosed SEC investigation, FOIA blocked by trident5000 on Friday September 24, 2021 @01:19PM (#28645296)
For exchanges that use USDT, exchanging for crypto is your only immediate option.
Re:Tether is under undisclosed SEC investigation, FOIA blocked by rcohngru on Friday September 24, 2021 @01:21PM (#28645311)
Right, but who would want to be on the other side of that trade? You're telling me that if I have something worth $0 and you have something of value, you'd want to make that trade with me?
Re:Tether is under undisclosed SEC investigation, FOIA blocked by trident5000 on Friday September 24, 2021 @01:23PM (#28645338)
Exactly, thats what causes a squeeze/absurd drive up in price. Its why I dont hold tether.
Re:Tether is under undisclosed SEC investigation, FOIA blocked by dekerta on Friday September 24, 2021 @11:40PM (#28650298)
Are you thinking of something like a short squeeze? That only happens because shorts would be forced to buy shares to cover their positions. I don't see how that would apply here. Who's forced to buy people's tether if the price goes to zero? In reality, everyone who holds tether would just be screwed. Their imaginary token would be worth nothing and they wouldn't be able to exchange them for anything. The value would just disappear in to the air
Re:Tether is under undisclosed SEC investigation, FOIA blocked by quickthrowman on Friday September 24, 2021 @01:35PM (#28645484)
> If tether went belly up what would happen is everyone would sell their tether for BTC and other cryptos (whatever they can get into) and you would have the largest squeeze of all time.

I’d like to know who you think would be buying Tether if it was collapsing, you can’t sell if there’s no bid!

Re:Tether is under undisclosed SEC investigation, FOIA blocked by randomopining on Friday September 24, 2021 @01:23PM (#28645331)
Wouldn't it cause holders to instantly have part of their portfolio be worthless, which would cause them to have to sell liquid BTC etc to cover their positions. Which would depress the price of btc/eth a lot?
Re:Tether is under undisclosed SEC investigation, FOIA blocked by chollida1 on Friday September 24, 2021 @01:33PM (#28645465)
> If tether went belly up what would happen is everyone would sell their tether for BTC and other cryptos (whatever they can get into) and you would have the largest squeeze of all time

What squeeze could there possibly be? No one is forced to deliver anything here so there is absolutely nothing to be squeezed.

now you may get some people willing to buy tether at 10 cents on the dollar but that would only continue to force down the price of tether as you exhaust the very small amount of tether buyers.

Who do you see being squeezed here?

Re:Tether is under undisclosed SEC investigation, FOIA blocked by postalrat on Friday September 24, 2021 @02:36PM (#28646199)
"If tether went belly up what would happen is everyone would sell their tether for BTC"

What do you mean by "tether went belly up"? Even when it's "belly up" it still has value to trade for BTC?

Re:Tether is under undisclosed SEC investigation, FOIA blocked by quickthrowman on Friday September 24, 2021 @03:31PM (#28646812)
Who would be buying the tether? Every trade on an exchange has two sides, who is going to buy USDT that isn’t worth anything?

For example, the $449 strike SPY call expiring in 27 minutes has a bid of 0.00 and an ask of 0.02, meaning nobody will buy if you try to sell the call, but a market maker will sell you one for 0.02. If tether was worthless, the same situation would happen, people would be willing to buy for 0.00 and sell for a bit more than 0.00

Re:Tether is under undisclosed SEC investigation, FOIA blocked by kangnkodos on Friday September 24, 2021 @03:11PM (#28646601)
If Tether's USDT went belly up, there would be a loss of confidence in the Coinbase exchange, a run on the market, and a collapse in the price of Bitcoin.

Right now, everyone who has an account at Coinbase believes that if they liquidated their Bitcoin tomorrow, they would eventually get genuine US Dollars equal to the amount of money in their account. Under normal operating conditions, this is true. But if Tether's USDT goes down in price significantly, all bets are off.

Under normal operating conditions, when a client sells Bitcoin in their Coinbase account, Coinbase trades Bitcoin for Tether's USDT, the USDT sits in the user's account for a while, and eventually the user get US Dollars.

Where do the US Dollars come from?

Tether has a reserve of some US Dollars, and other non-crypto assets that can be quickly traded for US Dollars. Let's just consider this whole bucket as US Dollar reserves in order to simplify this discussion. The important thing to remember is that Tether's US Dollar reserves are only a small fraction of all outstanding Tethers.

Also, Tether is constantly gathering more US Dollars. On an average day, Tether receives more US Dollars than go out.

If for some reason, everyone decided at the same time that a USDT was worth less that one US Dollar and the price continued to drop over time, everything would change. In this dropping USDT price scenario, anyone who held USDT would go to Tether at the same time and ask for their US Dollars back.

Tether would have a few options at this point, but one option they would not have is giving everyone their US Dollars back. Remember that Tether has limited US Dollar reserves. Assuming they kept trying to refund every request with a full US Dollar, they would blow through their reserve and hang up a closed sign on their window. Tether doesn't have any bankruptcy insurance, and there isn't a government that is likely to bail Tether out. They're not too big to fail.

Oh, Tether would try some tricks to slow down the process. But they may not be able to stop the run on the bank/exchange.

So now, let's assume Tether is worth zero. What happens to Coinbase and it's clients?

Buying Bitcoin would not be a huge problem. Coinbase might have to change their procedures, but they could still find people willing to accept US Dollars in return for Bitcoin.

The trouble would be selling Bitcoin. On a normal day, they just trade Bitcoin for USDT, and if necessary, go to Tether and trade the USDT for US Dollars. But if the normal system doesn't work because a USDT is worth zero, Coinbase would have trouble selling Bitcoin in a timely manner.

People would flood Twitter complaining that they can't get their money out of Bitcoin through Coinbase, and this might trigger a second run. All Coinbase customers might lose confidence at the same time, and try to sell their Bitcoin in their Coinbase accounts at the same time. The price of Bitcoin would crash. Perhaps people would not trust exchanges such as Coinbase for a long time after, and prices might stay low for a long time.

This is all just a wild guess. What do I know?

Re:Tether is under undisclosed SEC investigation, FOIA blocked by mckirk on Friday September 24, 2021 @08:46PM (#28649365)
I think you are confusing Coinbase with another exchange. Coinbase, as far as I can tell, tries to stay away from USDT and rather deals in USDC.
Re:Tether is under undisclosed SEC investigation, FOIA blocked by PretzelPirate on Friday September 24, 2021 @07:40PM (#28648992)
Do you have documents that show Coinbase sells Bitcoin for USDT and not USDC or simply USD when you sell through their system?