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Re:Prometheus Fuels (YC W19) Closes Series B with $1.5B Valu... by trhway on Thursday September 23, 2021 @02:45PM (#28633405)
I myself don't like much how my brain sees Musk everywhere, yet I think similar methanol production will first come from SpaceX for Mars.

Also i wonder whether moonshine style distillation is worse than the carbon nanotubes membrane filtration, especially if you have a source of cheap waste heat.

Re:Prometheus Fuels (YC W19) Closes Series B with $1.5B Valu... by uranium on Thursday September 23, 2021 @03:12PM (#28633799)
Distillation is pretty expensive, energy-wise, and if you can't run continuously [e.g. if you're trying to use cheap intermittent renewables] you lose energy in the cooling-and-reheating cycles.

I have yet to see a significant source of usable "waste" heat that's not already being used for something else. Low-grade heat isn't helpful--you generally need reasonably high temperature differentials in order to power large-scale industrial processes.

[Disclosure: I've invested in Prometheus Fuels, but don't speak for them.]

Re:Prometheus Fuels (YC W19) Closes Series B with $1.5B Valu... by trhway on Thursday September 23, 2021 @04:24PM (#28634785)
>Distillation is pretty expensive, energy-wise,

Moonshining is less than 400 KJ per kg of source, i.e. about 1.5 KWh per kg of ethanol produced from 15% ethanol/water source. Given that one can use waste heat from almost any other industrial process the real monetary cost is way less than the cost of electrical 1.5 KWh.

>I have yet to see a significant source of usable "waste" heat that's not already being used for something else. Low-grade heat isn't helpful--you generally need reasonably high temperature differentials in order to power large-scale industrial processes.

Moonshining is 78 C degree - such cheap waste heat sources are plentiful exactly because it is hard to use for almost anything else.

>you lose energy in the cooling-and-reheating cycles.

not an issue for a 78 C process - basically like your water boiler, takes minimum of thermal isolation.

Re:Prometheus Fuels (YC W19) Closes Series B with $1.5B Valu... by corpdronejuly on Thursday September 23, 2021 @03:15PM (#28633854)
Well that answers my question about crypto waste heat and useful work.
Re:Prometheus Fuels (YC W19) Closes Series B with $1.5B Valu... by alexose on Thursday September 23, 2021 @05:34PM (#28635786)
How were you able to invest, if you don't mind me asking?
Re:Prometheus Fuels (YC W19) Closes Series B with $1.5B Valu... by corpdronejuly on Thursday September 23, 2021 @03:14PM (#28633836)
I've often wondered if I could justify a crypto mining rig if I used the waste heat for something, literally anything, useful. The tech is interesting and I want to for the sake of "doing something cool" but the environmental cost has me iffy on ever trying.
Re:Prometheus Fuels (YC W19) Closes Series B with $1.5B Valu... by uranium on Thursday September 23, 2021 @04:05PM (#28634542)
Re:Prometheus Fuels (YC W19) Closes Series B with $1.5B Valu... by corpdronejuly on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @01:32PM (#28697059)
Earthship, heatpump, and this... getting pretty close to a dream house TBH.