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Re:Lesson of ivermectin: meta-analyses based on summary data... by rory on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @11:09AM (#28617185)
Although it has more dangers than ivermectin, why shouldn't you have access to ketamine if you feel it helps you? A lot of people believe it has off-label benefits for their mental health, and maybe it does.

Perhaps we just have different general perspectives on the individual and society.

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Re:Lesson of ivermectin: meta-analyses based on summary data... by dionian on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @11:26AM (#28617439)
I suspect most people would disagree, and I think I might too, but it's curious to examine the arguments and justifications for disagreeing
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Re:Lesson of ivermectin: meta-analyses based on summary data... by shapefrog on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @05:06PM (#28621819)
Why not all drugs of all types. Why call it an opiod crisis and not just here is what happens when you give everyone whatever drugs they hear on the internet make you feel good?

First you deny someone ivermectin, next minute you are saying only 1 oxycotin with your beer.

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Re:Lesson of ivermectin: meta-analyses based on summary data... by rory on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @05:22PM (#28621995)
The important difference between these drugs is that opiates are incredibly addictive, while ketamine is less addictive than tobacco or alcohol. Ivermectin isn't addictive at all.

Ironically, the opioid crisis is caused far more by people's trust in mainstream medicine than by any internet fad.

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Re:Lesson of ivermectin: meta-analyses based on summary data... by cmrdporcupine on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @10:58PM (#28624801)
Repeated recreational use of ketamine over years can lead to permanent urinary tract damage, potentially leading to incontinence, etc. "Ketamine bladder syndrome"

https://www.nursingtimes.net/clinical-archive/medicine-manag...

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Re:Lesson of ivermectin: meta-analyses based on summary data... by rory on Thursday September 23, 2021 @10:08AM (#28629365)
Correct, as I mentioned up-thread ketamine use has dangers.
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Re:Lesson of ivermectin: meta-analyses based on summary data... by shapefrog on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @05:32PM (#28622126)
> people's trust in mainstream medicine

Mainstream medicine says it is incredibly addictive with an incredibly low lethal dose.

People like to get high, a lot. Probably second only to triggering the libs / whatever the lib version is.

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Re:Lesson of ivermectin: meta-analyses based on summary data... by rory on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @05:53PM (#28622402)
> In the late 1990s, pharmaceutical companies reassured the medical community that patients would not become addicted to opioid pain relievers and healthcare providers began to prescribe them at greater rates.

> Increased prescription of opioid medications led to widespread misuse of both prescription and non-prescription opioids before it became clear that these medications could indeed be highly addictive.

I assumed this was well-known.

https://www.hhs.gov/opioids/about-the-epidemic/index.html

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Re:Lesson of ivermectin: meta-analyses based on summary data... by shapefrog on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @06:31PM (#28622862)
> The Opium Wars were two wars waged between the Qing dynasty and Western powers in the mid-19th century.

I assumed this was well-known.

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