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Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by yellowapple on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @02:58AM (#28613744)
> Changing a connector is not trivial if you have hundreds of millions of customers and a massive ecosystem of third-party vendors, each with their own roadmap.

And yet not only has Apple already done exactly that for iPhones (specifically: migrating from the iPod connector to Lightning), but so has virtually every Android vendor done exactly that for Android devices (specifically: migrating from USB micro-B to USB C).

Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by masklinn on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @04:56AM (#28614298)
> And yet not only has Apple already done exactly that for iPhones (specifically: migrating from the iPod connector to Lightning)

That’s the point though is it not? Apple was just out of a connector switch, which required users to throw out all their old accessories and get new ones. They were not going to do that again within just a few years.

> so has virtually every Android vendor done exactly that for Android devices (specifically: migrating from USB micro-B to USB C).

Historically, Android had nowhere near the accessories ecosystem of Apple.

I believe that is why Apple is starting the switchover to USB-C, with the new iPad using USB-C:

* the dock connector lived for about 10 years, we’re approaching the 10th year of Lightning, that’s a pretty good lifecycle for a connector

* the universality of USB-C amongst Android manufacturers means there now is a large ecosystem of accessories and Apple won’t have to rebuild their ecosystem from scratch

I wouldn’t be surprised if the ipad was basically a warning shot, and Apple switched the rest of their mobile devices over to USB-C with the 2022 releases.

Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by 542354234235 on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @12:17PM (#28618187)
>which required users to throw out all their old accessories and get new ones.

Not if you migrate to the standard that every other device uses. Isn’t that the exact advantage of a universal standard?

Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by Hackbraten on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @09:58PM (#28624438)
USB type C didn’t exist back then, while USB 2.0 type micro B didn’t offer the required bandwidth.
Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by frosted-flakes on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @11:53PM (#28625041)
What accessories? A charging cable or headphone adapter? Ship them with the phone. There, done. In fact, Apple used to include both, but not USB-C.
Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by Hackbraten on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @05:00AM (#28614330)
> And yet not only has Apple already done exactly that for iPhones (specifically: migrating from the iPod connector to Lightning)

I feel that only confirms my point. The switch happened ten years ago, yet many people are still being mad at Apple today over it.

> but so has virtually every Android vendor done exactly that

I think I’m failing to see your point. None of those vendors has any amount of control over the USB accessory ecosystem, or do they?

Re:The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used by yellowapple on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @05:46PM (#28622322)
> I feel that only confirms my point. The switch happened ten years ago, yet many people are still being mad at Apple today over it.

It disproves your point from multiple directions:

1. It demonstrates that Apple has no qualms about abandoning proprietary connectors and leaving an entire connector ecosystem stranded overnight.

2. It demonstrates that said connector ecosystem has no qualms about adapting to a new proprietary connector - let alone a standardized one.

And no, I know of precisely zero people upset about switching away from the iPod connector. The only thing about which anyone is upset about is the fact that Apple chose a different proprietary connector instead of using that opportunity to standardize.

> I think I’m failing to see your point. None of those vendors has any amount of control over the USB accessory ecosystem, or do they?

The bigger players absolutely do manufacture their own accessories, but that's secondary to my point: that the accessory market readily adapted to phone manufacturers switching connectors on its own. Apple, if anything, would have an easier time for the exact reason you indicate: Apple has control over the Apple accessory ecosystem, and can use that control to put additional pressure on accessory makers.