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Re:Confessions of a Michelin Star Inspector by thaumasiotes on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @02:03AM (#28613499)
> Surely, even if you agree that Tim Horton and McDonalds have equally terrible food and you hate it, you'd be more willing to be condemned to eat, each day at your choice that day of either of the two, than to be condemned to eat every day at just one of them, chosen today for all time. But that clearly doesn't mean that the union of Tim Horton and McDonalds has food that is less terrible than either of the two, which would be contradictory.

> (You could of course have a scale of restaurant variety rather than quality, and in that case surely a PizzaHutTacoBell would rate higher than either a PizzaHut or a Taco Bell. But that's surely not the kind of rating we're talking about here—is it?)

You seem to be making a fairly strong argument and then confidently drawing a conclusion that is the opposite of the one the argument suggests. The value of food is determined at the most fundamental, objective level by what else you've eaten recently. If you are short on something, your perception of taste will change so that the nutrient you are short on tastes better. What's the argument for variety not being a part of food quality?

Re:Confessions of a Michelin Star Inspector by kragen on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @02:10AM (#28613536)
If we accept that, then as I suggested in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28613379, the whole project of rating restaurants on any kind of scale is doomed. Do you really think there's no sense in which the entire McDonalds menu is worse than a particular main course at Le Cinq? That the whole idea of Michelin stars is entirely nonsense? That food quality reduces entirely to variety?

I was attempting to separate out the "variety" aspect, which as you say cannot be evaluated in isolation and thus makes no sense to print in a guide, by proposing long time scales. Would you really argue that nothing is left once you factor out variety?

Re:Confessions of a Michelin Star Inspector by thaumasiotes on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @02:29AM (#28613624)
I think your model of how restaurant ratings should work has very little to do with how people decide what or where to eat. I'd rather think about asking someone to choose between two restaurants repeatedly (over time), and see how often they say one or the other. You can give the restaurants Elo ratings if you really want to. That's still not what's happening most of the time, but it's much closer. Or, as I suggested earlier, you could try to work with a satiety model and look at how long someone goes between visits to a particular restaurant.

> [Do you really think t]hat the whole idea of Michelin stars is entirely nonsense?

I think the perspective some other comments have taken, that there's more to food quality than whether you like it, is entirely nonsense. I don't think the concept of rating is nonsense; everyone likes some things more than other things. But I think your attempt to interpret restaurant ratings doesn't look very good.

> That food quality reduces entirely to variety?

No. But I'm happy to state that the union of Tim Horton's menu with McDonalds' is superior to either alone.

Re:Confessions of a Michelin Star Inspector by kragen on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @02:54AM (#28613725)
> But I think your attempt to interpret restaurant ratings doesn't look very good.

Well, it's too bad it doesn't suit your purposes. I hope you find an interpretation you like better!

Re:Confessions of a Michelin Star Inspector by thaumasiotes on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @05:07AM (#28614359)
I'm saying it doesn't suit your purposes either. You are assuming that all meals at a given restaurant have the same effect. This assumption is untrue, and this means that any prediction you make based on your interpretation will also probably be untrue.
Re:Confessions of a Michelin Star Inspector by kragen on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @05:35AM (#28614527)
No, I'm not making that assumption, and it serves my purposes fine, thanks for your concern.
Re:Confessions of a Michelin Star Inspector by thaumasiotes on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @07:33AM (#28615201)
You made that assumption so explicitly that there is already another comment objecting to it:

> There's nothing about a 1-10 scale that implies that every visit to the restaurant will be equally pleasurable.

Re:Confessions of a Michelin Star Inspector by kragen on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @07:38AM (#28615224)
They just made the same incorrect inference that you did, that's all, but they did so more politely. In my response, which I linked for you earlier in this thread, I pointed out one way my original comment took those complexities into account in what you evidently think is my Grand Unified Theory of Restaurant Hedonics.