An appeal for an objective, open, transparent debate re: the origin of Covid-19

Re:An appeal for an objective, open, transparent debate re: ... by iammisc on Sunday September 19, 2021 @09:08PM (#28589455)

The only people who think Trump was the source of the division are out-of-touch liberals. I don't even mean this pejoratively. I just encourage you to look beyond the current predominant media narratives. This society has been breaking apart for a while. All the signs have been there. Trump shocked the liberals, but Obama shocked the conservatives before him, and we can ping pong back and forth for a while I'm sure.

(And yes, conservatives who believe Obama was the sole source of division are also out of touch. People really need to try to understand the other side).

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Re:An appeal for an objective, open, transparent debate re: ... by epakai on Sunday September 19, 2021 @09:57PM (#28589696)

Obama wasn't that shocking. There was just a massive outrage factory attacking him. There are controversial things the Obama administration did, but the outrage wasn't commensurate.

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Re:An appeal for an objective, open, transparent debate re: ... by iammisc on Monday September 20, 2021 @01:07AM (#28590543)

Obama's association with Ayers, his pastors sermons while Obama sat through them, his derision for people clinging to guns and religion were all things very reasonable people could be upset by. You are being purposefully selective in your remembrances.

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Re:An appeal for an objective, open, transparent debate re: ... by disgruntledphd2 on Monday September 20, 2021 @07:11AM (#28592468)

Yeah, i remember how upset conservative voices on the Intenrt were at the election of Obama.

It was like a mirror image of Trump's election in 2016.

While personally I preferred Obama (as a non-US citizen) it's really sad how much anger and rage is expressed over these political differences.

Personally I think gerrymandering is the proximate cause, as it creates more safe districts for party members, which allows them to be more extreme than would be acceptable in a more competitive district.

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Re:An appeal for an objective, open, transparent debate re: ... by eunos on Sunday September 19, 2021 @09:26PM (#28589544)

I just puzzled how did Obama win with a landslide yet very divisive (not Obama fault).

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Re:An appeal for an objective, open, transparent debate re: ... by dham on Monday September 20, 2021 @09:51AM (#28593765)

Hint it's the internet, mainly social media. It's a poisonous parasitic infection that oozes puss throughout society. If the 2000 election happened in this era, America would have been blown up by now.

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