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Re:Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video] by Barrin92 on Sunday September 19, 2021 @05:41PM (#28588202)
because people want to download illegal movies and porn, or host linux isos as a service for the commons. There's practically no commercial activity around torrents because it's an incredibly inefficient way to serve large amounts of data.
Re:Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video] by kragen on Sunday September 19, 2021 @08:12PM (#28589160)
You may not be aware of this, but like everything on PeerTube, the video we are commenting on here is in fact served up via BitTorrent. I got about a third of it from the diode.zone seed, which, if I understand correctly, is paid for out of Micah Scott's Patreon.

The inefficiency of torrents on near-symmetric internet connections is pretty minor. If a 1GiB movie is on Netflix, each user has to download 1GiB of data over your internet connection. If it's in a torrent, each user has to download 1GiB of data and also upload 1GiB of data. The efficiency difference is only a factor of 2. And the 1GiB of upload bandwidth was, in many cases, idle anyway.

(Well, there's also the fact that the users are paying the cost of distributing the movie, rather than Netflix paying part of it. So you'd think that information that benefits the people who receive it, like Linux, porn, and sewing and soapmaking tutorials, rather than the people who produce it, like advertising, would tend to be distributed by torrents. But, for a commercial setup, this is a minor consideration; even ordinary hosted servers pay relatively little for bandwidth, and Netflix probably pays nothing in most cases. I suspect Micah Scott ended up paying about 10% of the cost of me watching this video, not counting the value of my time.)

Re:Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video] by leothecool on Monday September 20, 2021 @11:46AM (#28595091)
So... if I watch a copywritten video on peertube, the MPAA might sue me for being a peer and distributing it?
Re:Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video] by valdiorn on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @04:03PM (#28609264)
This is actually a really important question that we need an answer to.
Re:Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video] by zuminator on Sunday September 19, 2021 @06:00PM (#28588350)
Legal or not, the fact that many people host and share dozens of large torrents from their home servers for free belies the claim that sharing video would necessarily be too expensive to be practical or would devolve back to turn off the century RealVideo quality.
Re:Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video] by Barrin92 on Sunday September 19, 2021 @09:07PM (#28589450)
the legality matters a great deal because if you steal the IP obviously even cumbersome technology becomes viable.

Cartels don't use drug mules because they're such a fantastic feat of logistics but because hiring a freight train is somewhat problematic

Re:Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video] by gtirloni on Sunday September 19, 2021 @05:45PM (#28588229)
How's it inefficient?
Re:Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video] by Barrin92 on Sunday September 19, 2021 @05:51PM (#28588266)
because decentralized systems need to redundantly store data, a lot. Youtube accounts for, depending on the source 15% of global internet traffic.

The reason you can watch videos at 1080p wherever you are in the world buffer free is because the system is ridiculously optimized, cached locally, and so on. Do you want to go back to 180p because one of the two guys hosting that five year old video with 50k views you liked just went offline?

Re:Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video] by gtirloni on Sunday September 19, 2021 @06:07PM (#28588396)
Your second paragraph disproves your first, do you realize that? Youtube caches locally in a decentralized fashion, with redundant data, etc.
Re:Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video] by DocTomoe on Monday September 20, 2021 @03:33AM (#28591155)
IIRC, both Windows Updates as well as Steam use delivery systems that are very similar to torrents.
Re:Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video] by vadfa on Sunday September 19, 2021 @07:19PM (#28588856)
Blizzard used to distribute updates using bittorrent before the advent of CDNs.
Re:Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video] by kragen on Monday September 20, 2021 @01:06AM (#28590537)
To be totally fair, Akamai predates BitTorrent.
Re:Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video] by SilverRed on Sunday September 19, 2021 @07:21PM (#28588866)
Everyone used to but almost no company does anymore. It's easier and more effective to just let each ISP cache the content of highly downloaded files.
Re:Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video] by kragen on Sunday September 19, 2021 @08:30PM (#28589257)
You mean, pay Fastly or Cloudflare to run your swarm for you, instead of running it yourself on your users' computers?
Re:Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video] by SilverRed on Sunday September 19, 2021 @08:35PM (#28589278)
Which isn't too expensive if you have paying customers. Doesn't make people angry when they are on data cap or trying to do something else on their network. Also doesn't have to deal with endless NAT and middlebox issues.

But often ISPs will willingly host the content for free since it saves them money as well. Steam and netflix have caches inside ISP datacenters.

Re:Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video] by ekianjo on Sunday September 19, 2021 @07:20PM (#28588859)
> illegal movies

What's illegal movies?

Re:Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video] by 1MachineElf on Sunday September 19, 2021 @08:59PM (#28589416)
Here's an example of a movie declared illegal in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Magnitsky_Act_%E2%80%93_Be...
Re:Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video] by mastax on Sunday September 19, 2021 @09:43PM (#28589624)
The Wikipedia article doesn't mention any banning, and I can buy the film on Amazon.
Re:Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video] by kragen on Sunday September 19, 2021 @08:30PM (#28589261)
Maybe Barrin92 is in the People's Republic of China, where movies criticizing the government are illegal.