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Re:Belgian ISP under 250 Gbps DDoS for days on end by brians on Saturday September 18, 2021 @04:52PM (#28579198)
The server has to do an encryption and a decryption. A legit client has to do the pre-SYN dance. In your protocol, I don’t spam pre-SYNs; I spam SYNs with fake tokens. Thus I send only the same number of packets as before, but the server has to do these decryptions! Or I can mix and match spoofed SYNs with pre-SYNs and legitimate SYNs in whatever way finds the best leverage.

Your pre-SYN design is very close to the design of TLS 1.2, by the way. That’s how I knew how to attack it. TLS is attackable in just this way: open a real connection, then lots of fake handshake requests. No crypto required to generate them, but the server has to do lots.

Now that said, BCP 38 would go a LONG way towards addressing this. There will come a day when the well-behaved networks decide they’re not accepting traffic from non-compliant peers.

Re:Belgian ISP under 250 Gbps DDoS for days on end by vladf on Saturday September 18, 2021 @07:22PM (#28580262)
You do bring a good point. Maybe outlandish, but see my sibling comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28578832) where the server overhead for rejecting invalid packets which the attacker made for free goes down to performing a hash.
Re:Belgian ISP under 250 Gbps DDoS for days on end by kazen44 on Saturday September 18, 2021 @05:40PM (#28579578)
mind you BCP38 will do nothing against legitimate IP's used in DDoS attacks. (which are more and more common because of large botnets thanks to IoT devices and their abysmal security).
Re:Belgian ISP under 250 Gbps DDoS for days on end by dmix on Sunday September 19, 2021 @03:40AM (#28582464)
Are there legitimate reasons to spoof an IP?