Re:France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia ...
by mahkeiro on Friday September 17, 2021 @06:47PM
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French contract took 4 years to be negotiated, the US one less than 6 months, in total secret with no public check… expect big surprises at the end, US weapons program are not known to never overrun their costs
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Re:France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia ...
by enkid on Friday September 17, 2021 @07:04PM
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The cost on the French contract had already gone up by tens of billions of dollars, and nothing had been delivered.
Re:France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia ...
by mahkeiro on Sunday September 19, 2021 @03:32AM
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UK frigate program for Australia navy is having the same issues: https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/getting-real-about-the-sch...
Re:France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia ...
by i_am_proteus on Friday September 17, 2021 @08:20PM
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The most recent submarine program (Virginia class) was effectively on-budget.
Re:France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia ...
by edrxty on Friday September 17, 2021 @08:28PM
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Probably due to its predecessor, the Seawolf, from which it was derived ended up being wildly cost ineffective.
Re:France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia ...
by i_am_proteus on Saturday September 18, 2021 @06:24AM
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That is not correct.
Seawolf was cancelled and only three units were built, causing R&D costs to be spread across those three units, raising unit price.
It was cancelled because it was expensive, but it was ordered during the end of the cold war and was radically more capable than the class it was meant to replace. This cost was acceptable at time of order, but then subject to budget cuts after the USSR collapsed. This raised the per-unit cost, but lowered the overall cost.
The eventual replacement (Virginia) ended up being more evolutionary from the previous class (not from Seawolf) than revolutionary, but much cheaper.
Re:France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia ...
by edrxty on Saturday September 18, 2021 @04:25PM
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Do you have a source for this? The Virginia shares many more features with the Seawolf that the LA class. The Virginia is basically a scaled down Seawolf hull with a different weapons arrangement.
Re:France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia ...
by i_am_proteus on Saturday September 18, 2021 @04:49PM
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Look at the USS San Juan and later hulls.
My source is having been on all three classes of submarine.
Re:France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia ...
by GareyBaldo on Saturday September 18, 2021 @10:21PM
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Concur. Unlikely to find prompt jumps in design that weren't previously field tested. Technologies pioneered by Seawolf class were rolled into the VA class, but ultimately decades of building 688s was more valuable than 3 Seawolfs (seawolves?)
Re:France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia ...
by tkojames on Friday September 17, 2021 @06:57PM
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For sure all that is right as well. But if I was in the Australian shoes this is just to good of deal from US and UK to turn down.
Re:France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia ...
by mytailorisrich on Friday September 17, 2021 @08:11PM
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Of course, 'negotiation' concludes faster when it's one way.