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Re:For the first time in history, St Andrews outranks Oxbridge by bsd44 on Friday September 17, 2021 @05:47AM (#28563231)
I am looking at their document* explaining methodology behind the ranking criteria and I am still to understand which of those indicate quality of programme. All five sections revolve around research and the data is collected mostly from Elsevier.

So St Andrews outranks Oxbridge for the first time. Outranks in what? What does "best" mean? I think these rankings should better explain in the title what they indicate. It seems to me they compete in prestige and not quality of teaching which is what prospective students look for.

All programmes in the country are standardised and cover the same required topics, so the only major difference there can be is the way these topics are presented to students. The research game is separate from the teaching entirely and shouldn't be considered as an indication of anything in the undergraduate realm.

* https://www.timeshighereducation.com/sites/default/files/bre...

Re:For the first time in history, St Andrews outranks Oxbridge by arethuza on Friday September 17, 2021 @05:55AM (#28563301)
"All programmes in the country are standardised and cover the same required topics, so the only major difference there can be is the way these topics are presented to students"

Undergraduate degree courses being standardised - since when? We don't even have the same high school level courses and exams across the UK...

Re:For the first time in history, St Andrews outranks Oxbridge by biofox on Friday September 17, 2021 @06:02AM (#28563354)
The QAA and BCS have a set of national benchmarks and course descriptors that degree programmes have to follow if they want to be validated or accredited. There's a lot of flexibility within them for specialist modules, but some key topics have to be covered in all.
Re:For the first time in history, St Andrews outranks Oxbridge by etothepii on Friday September 17, 2021 @06:13AM (#28563438)
The idea that these benchmarks have anything meaningful to add is a ludicrous. If you think a 1st from Anglia Ruskin is Comparable with a 2nd from Cambridge you need your slide rule checked.
Re:For the first time in history, St Andrews outranks Oxbridge by blitzar on Friday September 17, 2021 @06:15AM (#28563456)
Only the person who went to cambridge would know what a slide rule is.
Re:For the first time in history, St Andrews outranks Oxbridge by arethuza on Friday September 17, 2021 @06:14AM (#28563441)
And, of course this being the UK, there is more than one QAA :-)
Re:For the first time in history, St Andrews outranks Oxbridge by blitzar on Friday September 17, 2021 @06:11AM (#28563423)
> Outranks in what?

Being the 'best'

> What does "best" mean?

Better than the others

How do we know who is the best? - The Times Univesity Rankings.