News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by yunohn on Friday September 17, 2021 @01:00AM (#28561392)
> you may change your mind and then be criticised

Yes, that’s exactly what is happening here - and the criticism is from the employees who were lied to.

> accepting below market pay is you may later regret it

While they might’ve been paid market value, it is still quite disingenuous to deny equity and preach an independent vision. And then using the work done by employees to sellout for a massive payday.

Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by curiousgal on Friday September 17, 2021 @01:46AM (#28561704)
Today I learned that billionaires can be disingenuous lol

Backstabbing and lying are the cornerstone of the startup system. People shouldn't be shocked when there's money on the line. Sad but true.

Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by adwn on Friday September 17, 2021 @03:08AM (#28562191)
> Today I learned that billionaires can be disingenuous lol

In what way does that make them different from non-billionaires?

Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by hkt on Friday September 17, 2021 @03:22AM (#28562282)
Impact
Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by jollybean on Friday September 17, 2021 @10:32AM (#28565932)
This is way overblown. It's not backstabbing or lying to change your mind.

The founders probably had the intent to stay independent, they changed their minds.

The employees got a salary to work on a mass email product. Now they are continuing to do the same.

This is just normal business, not a shift in principles.

If they were working at a public green energy foundation dedicated to open source science, and then were bought by Exxon and everything privatized, then this would be a different story.

I'll bet most employees don't really care that much as long as they keep their jobs and working conditions.

Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by yunohn on Friday September 17, 2021 @01:48AM (#28561714)
> People shouldn't be shocked when there's money on the line.

Well, I guess that’s that then. We might as well get rid of human ethics and morals, trust based systems, and justice.

Apparently, capitalism and the love of money is all we need!

Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by vishnugupta on Friday September 17, 2021 @02:50AM (#28562080)
> We might as well get rid of human ethics and morals, trust based systems, and justice.

In my experience these values are invoked when sums involved are not life altering.

As the saying goes if you owe $5000 to a bank then the bank owns you but if you owe $500MM then you own the bank.

Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by dcow on Friday September 17, 2021 @02:21AM (#28561903)
Welcome to 21st century globalism. When you build an entire society around fundamental economic power, what do you think you'll get? Not that?
Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by yunohn on Friday September 17, 2021 @03:26AM (#28562310)
We can always ask/demand more of others. And in cases of ethical or moral uncertainty, we can introduce rules/laws, as society has done for millennia.

The answer is not always to give up and support unethical behavior.

Re:Mailchimp insiders react to employees getting no equity f... by ericb on Friday September 17, 2021 @07:29AM (#28564127)
Changing your mind isn't lying. And to be honest, the owners decisions about a company you don't own are not really your business.