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Re:Lumber crash leads to 'blowout' sales as prices crater by TeMPOraL on Thursday September 16, 2021 @03:29AM (#28549070)
Ah, another type of market assholery. Price discovery mechanism that's free for the builders, but very expensive for the would-be customers. About as nice as grading on a curve.

I wonder if there's a space for business for an intermediary who would take on multiple builders for your single home, wait for them to do their price discovery dance, and then drop every one of them except for the cheapest one.

Disrupting schedules isn't free for customers either.

Re:Lumber crash leads to 'blowout' sales as prices crater by ransom1538 on Thursday September 16, 2021 @10:55AM (#28552623)
"I wonder if there's a space for business for an intermediary who would take on multiple builders for your single home, wait for them to do their price discovery dance, and then drop every one of them except for the cheapest one."

Having worked with subcontractors a race to the bottom is not a good plan. IMHO subcontractors cost is directly proportional to experience. Simple unseen things will get missed eg: wrong type of drywall in the bathroom.

Re:Lumber crash leads to 'blowout' sales as prices crater by 20after4 on Thursday September 16, 2021 @03:51AM (#28549183)
An intermediary like the mob, perhaps?
Re:Lumber crash leads to 'blowout' sales as prices crater by TeMPOraL on Thursday September 16, 2021 @03:59AM (#28549224)
Do mobs do this?

No, I meant a legitimate intermediary. If builders get to overcommit and then cancel on their customers, why shouldn't a customer be able to do it too? The intermediary would just offer a service of doing that for you - booking multiple companies for your construction project, waiting until the last second, and cancelling all but one.

Re:Lumber crash leads to 'blowout' sales as prices crater by roenxi on Thursday September 16, 2021 @06:55AM (#28550155)
> If builders get to overcommit and then cancel on their customers, why shouldn't a customer be able to do it too?

Why couldn't they? I'd imagine the only problem is it is an ineffectual strategy for a client. There is a lot of money involved, people are already doing everything they can think of to get the lowest price.

It is absolutely a dick move to lead someone on, but in the grand scheme of things a minor problem. Construction is a mess of problems.

Re:Lumber crash leads to 'blowout' sales as prices crater by op00to on Thursday September 16, 2021 @06:29AM (#28549993)
Builders often require a nonrefundable deposit to purchase materials prior to the start of a job. That’s where the squeeze happens, after you’ve already selected your contractor.
Re:Lumber crash leads to 'blowout' sales as prices crater by TeMPOraL on Thursday September 16, 2021 @06:42AM (#28550070)
Huh, so they overcommit, accept deposits, then force some of those customers out - do they return those deposits then? If not, how is this not criminal?
Re:Lumber crash leads to 'blowout' sales as prices crater by wccrawford on Thursday September 16, 2021 @07:22AM (#28550322)
Because the customers are the ones quitting, they forfeit the deposit by their contract.

The developers aren't held to a timeline in the contract. They just stall forever, working on the ones willing to pay the most. If they ever ran out of better customers, they would eventually get around to the cheaper customers.

They've done something unethical, but they haven't broken the contract.

Re:Lumber crash leads to 'blowout' sales as prices crater by ClumsyPilot on Thursday September 16, 2021 @09:19AM (#28551386)
Systematically getting people to hand over money when you have no intention to deliver on and have no intention to return is probably fraud.
Re:Lumber crash leads to 'blowout' sales as prices crater by op00to on Friday September 17, 2021 @03:49PM (#28570171)
Probably. The attorney general is working on actual fraud. This is just probably fraud. No time for that! I think there’s a healthy dose of buyer beware to be had, though that almost seems victim blaming.
Re:Lumber crash leads to 'blowout' sales as prices crater by TeMPOraL on Thursday September 16, 2021 @07:37AM (#28550427)
Right. But to the extent the developers are doing this on purpose, as part of their business model, this very much feels like a racket.
Re:Lumber crash leads to 'blowout' sales as prices crater by pixl97 on Thursday September 16, 2021 @11:33AM (#28553117)
The only reason they developers can do this is there is a lack of people that can build houses creating a non competitive market. A huge portion of US home building is built on migrant labor which has been in short supply since 2016 and even further pressure from covid. Moreso housing is a boom bust style market that squeezes out competition during busts and increases prices during booms. This is how supply and demand curves work in this market.