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Re:Is America Inc getting less dynamic, less global and more... by josephcsible on Thursday September 16, 2021 @12:36AM (#28548078)
Because a lot of businesses, mainly small ones, can't afford to.
Re:Is America Inc getting less dynamic, less global and more... by AndrewKemendo on Thursday September 16, 2021 @12:49AM (#28548153)
An increasingly popular response to this that I've seen is "Then they shouldn't be in business"

I find the argument irksome, as it ignores a lot of the peculiarities and variances between markets, but at least it's an interesting perspective.

Re:Is America Inc getting less dynamic, less global and more... by defterGoose on Thursday September 16, 2021 @02:29AM (#28548729)
What's irksome about it? It's an indicator that inflation/prices have outpaced wages. Should we no longer be concerned with livability? Only with returns on capital?
Re:Is America Inc getting less dynamic, less global and more... by lotsofpulp on Thursday September 16, 2021 @07:30AM (#28550378)
The response is in context of someone complaining they cannot afford something.

If I am complaining that I cannot afford a private chef in my home, then the answer is for me to figure out how to earn more. Or go without a chef.

It is the same thing for a restaurant. Either figure out how to make more money (even if it means closing the business and changing your line of work, or figure out how make do without the chef).

Re:Is America Inc getting less dynamic, less global and more... by nemo44x on Thursday September 16, 2021 @08:49AM (#28551029)
Especially considering this was caused by the government passing out money for too long in addition to telling everyone to not bother paying their rent. Plenty of places have been offering $15-$20/hour and have struggled to find help since why would you work when unemployment pays more?
Re:Is America Inc getting less dynamic, less global and more... by sangnoir on Thursday September 16, 2021 @12:23PM (#28553741)
A lot of people used the time they were involuntarily let go to up-skill into better-paying careers. This resulted in a labor shortage in minimum-wage jobs, regardless of unemployment benefits (that have since lapsed in a chunk of states). Market forces are at play here, there's no reason to special-case labor when small businesses can handle increases in the other costs (gas, lumber, aluminum, steel, etc), the only reason I can think of is because they think they can bully the suppliers (of labor), or lobby the government to do that on their behalf.
Re:Is America Inc getting less dynamic, less global and more... by wnevets on Thursday September 16, 2021 @12:42AM (#28548102)
Why not? Being short staff implies there is more business than the current staff can handle. There are tech startups (aka small businesses) that would kill for that problem.
Re:Is America Inc getting less dynamic, less global and more... by lotsofpulp on Thursday September 16, 2021 @07:32AM (#28550389)
Because the business owners took out loans assuming x labor costs, and now that labor costs are y > x, they would need to default on the loan.

No reason to not let them suffer from their erroneous assumptions though. But politically, I expect them to be bailed out.

Re:Is America Inc getting less dynamic, less global and more... by wnevets on Thursday September 16, 2021 @12:40PM (#28553988)
>No reason to not let them suffer from their erroneous assumptions though.

Why not? If we were talking about a tech company, would you feel the same way?

Re:Is America Inc getting less dynamic, less global and more... by lotsofpulp on Thursday September 16, 2021 @12:55PM (#28554200)
>Why not?

The feedback mechanism for identifying errors is failure as is the incentive to correct them. Otherwise, we end up in a privatize the profits, socialize the risks situation. As we currently are.

For example, I bid for land for commercial real estate. I have been outbid by another developer who assumes they can pay more for the land because their labor costs will be lower for the business. They want to bet they can get away with paying bottom tier wages, whereas I want to pay higher wages. Or have more redundancies or use higher quality materials. Of course, the land gets sold to them at the higher price, they get to build the business.

Why should they get bailed out? They wanted to take on more risk, in the form of not allow much wiggle room for labor costs or using subpar materials. That is their fault, and society benefits from the market sending a signal from that developers failure to better allocate resources.

>If we were talking about a tech company, would you feel the same way?

Yes.

Re:Is America Inc getting less dynamic, less global and more... by kingTug on Thursday September 16, 2021 @12:48AM (#28548142)
If your business can't survive without an army of minimum wage slaves it doesn't deserve to be in business to begin with.
Re:Is America Inc getting less dynamic, less global and more... by colinmhayes on Thursday September 16, 2021 @01:22AM (#28548345)
How can you possibly be confident in what it means for a business to deserve to exist? If they're not doing anything illegal and they're not losing money they deserve to exist, beyond that there's no way to say.
Re:Is America Inc getting less dynamic, less global and more... by truckerbill on Thursday September 16, 2021 @01:59AM (#28548564)
Laws don’t dictate our collective ethical code fully. They are more like minimum requirements for the state to maintain order, with some hard won ethical mandates thrown in. It’s easy to justify that statement on ethical grounds IMO
Re:Is America Inc getting less dynamic, less global and more... by tppiotrowski on Thursday September 16, 2021 @01:50AM (#28548500)
Unless they get seed money
Re:Is America Inc getting less dynamic, less global and more... by Germanika on Thursday September 16, 2021 @10:37AM (#28552375)
They can't afford not to. The alternative is shutting down, no?
Re:Is America Inc getting less dynamic, less global and more... by outside1234 on Thursday September 16, 2021 @12:44AM (#28548117)
Charge more
Re:Is America Inc getting less dynamic, less global and more... by josephcsible on Thursday September 16, 2021 @12:55AM (#28548180)
The loss of sales will hurt more than the extra revenue per sale will help.
Re:Is America Inc getting less dynamic, less global and more... by dunco on Thursday September 16, 2021 @01:54AM (#28548525)
what is your evidence for this?

High wage countries don't seem to have a shortage of places to eat. if competitors are subject to the same labor market, all prices should go up together which would not give you a competitive disadvantage. certainly a lesser disadvantage than not being able to open because you are unwilling to pay the market labour rate.

Re:Is America Inc getting less dynamic, less global and more... by josephcsible on Thursday September 16, 2021 @02:09AM (#28548606)
> what is your evidence for this?

That's a textbook example of price elasticity from economics 101. You can also think about it this way: if that weren't the case, they would have already raised their prices even before there was a labor shortage.

> all prices should go up together which would not give you a competitive disadvantage

Not a competitive disadvantage, but still a disadvantage. Take restaurants for example. If every restaurant in the world raised all of their prices by the exact same amount at the exact same time, they wouldn't lose any business to each other, but they'd still lose a bunch of business to people eating at home.

Re:Is America Inc getting less dynamic, less global and more... by kwertyoowiyop on Thursday September 16, 2021 @09:01AM (#28551159)
That’s the theory, but is it true in practice? How do you KNOW for certain that if they raised their prices by X, their revenue would fall by > X?