Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?
by ghostwriter on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @04:22AM
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Driving drunk doesn’t imply violating driver’s own bodily integrity against their choice. A drunk driver risks other people’s lives and it’s a punishable crime.
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Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?
by tshaddox on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @01:07PM
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> Driving drunk doesn’t imply violating driver’s own bodily integrity against their choice.
I'm not sure what you mean. Police would use force to stop a drunk driver from driving drunk.
Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?
by ghostwriter on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @02:30PM
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The prerequisites of the applied force in the case of drunk driving would be driver’s acts of volition to choose to get drunk and to choose to drive afterwards.
What are the prerequisites of the applied force in the case of staying unvaccinated? What are the acts of volition that justify the force?
Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?
by tshaddox on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @04:43PM
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The force would be used to prevent unvaccinated people from participating in certain activities (like attending public indoor gatherings). It’s very directly analogous to drunk driving.
Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?
by franga2000 on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @04:49AM
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An unvaccinated person attending a public gathering risks other people's lives as well.
Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?
by raxxorrax on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @05:55AM
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For some few exceptions. I am vaccinated and don't feel threatened by unvaccinated people at all. Yes, there are people with compromised immune systems, but I think it is on them to reduce the risk of exposure without having a mandate on vaccination.
Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?
by franga2000 on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @06:18AM
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It's not just about immunocompromised people. The fewer people are vaccinated the quicker we get rid of the virus. If don't do it quickly, we're slowly "marinading" the virus in the vaccine, increasing chances for a vaccine-resistant mutation. It's kind of like why you're not allowed to stop a course of antibiotics half-way through.
Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?
by ghostwriter on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @02:41PM
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> The fewer people are vaccinated the quicker we get rid of the virus.
There is no evidence that the virus can be get ridden of.
Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?
by franga2000 on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @02:47PM
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Well, we have gotten rid of other viruses in the past and it also makes sense in theory given what we know about viruses, so the burden of proof is on those claiming we can't.
Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?
by batch12 on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @05:59AM
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If a vaccinated person can transmit covid, doesn't the same issue exist?
Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?
by lostmsu on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @11:03AM
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Just like with drunk driving accidents, it is not binary.
Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?
by batch12 on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @08:40PM
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And not the same thing at all. It's dishonest to say:
> An unvaccinated person attending a public gathering risks other people's lives as well.
Because it implies there is no risk for the vaccinated to spread disease.
Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?
by lostmsu on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @09:55PM
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Are you saying it is dishonest to blame drunk driving because it implies there's no risk for the sober to hit people on the roads?
Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?
by batch12 on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @11:16PM
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You seem to be arguing for the sake of it. I feel that my statement was pretty clear. If I am communicating poorly, I apologize, but there isn't much more I can add.
Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?
by lostmsu on Thursday September 16, 2021 @12:15AM
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I am arguing for the sake of reason. Your statement was pretty clear, but based on a false assumption.
Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?
by ghostwriter on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @02:43PM
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It’s also impossible to establish that one particular person infected another particular person. Drunk driving accidents are precise on actors.