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Re:Pay Transparency Is Coming by naikrovek on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @03:09AM (#28536156)
The "lazy PhD" bit there really undermines your entire point. Have you seen what it takes to get a PhD? I'm sure there are some who somehow skated through, but they are the exception, and not the rule.

For the same reasons you cite, equal pay is important. Some employees are better than others, and this is very hard to qualify, and the effect is that those who have less skill at negotiation, are underpaid, completely independent of skill, while those who are better at negotiation are paid more, completely independent of skill.

If skill is not going to be a factor in how people are paid, then pay for the role and not the person.

Any given person can and will grow in their role, potentially earning more (but not getting paid more) than they did a month prior; even moreso if they don't have to stress about money all of the time, and can just have all of those concerns alleviated even a little by higher pay.

Most people want to be better at their career, and are bogged down by the myriad of troubles that tight budgets generally cause. Remove these impediments for those who have reached a point in their career where they've earned the right to be without these troubles, and you will see your people take off, like how plants bloom when they haven't seen water in 10 days.

Re:Pay Transparency Is Coming by endymi0n on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @04:00AM (#28536492)
> Have you seen what it takes to get a PhD?

In the worst case, the extreme willingness and patience to waste years of your life on writing a thick paper that has a high chance of never being read by more than a handful of people and then pile on dust in the closet — and choosing that path over creating tangible real-world solutions in the same time.

Not discounting the hard work that goes into a PhD thesis at the slightest and the fact that I know brilliant PhDs with game-changing papers that went on to excel in their jobs, this framing might still give a clue on why, after having hired over a hundred engineers and seeing them develop, I have yet to see a positive correlation between academic performance and job performance.

Same goes for removing impediments. Having gone greater lengths to remove impediments for employees early in my career than any other manager I know, I can attest that even that doesn't motivate certain personality types to "flower". If anything, it motivates them to find more impediments. All the while the employees who just removed the first few impediments themselves are already crushing the next task.

"Whoever wants something finds ways, whoever doesn't want something finds reasons." - Götz Werner

Re:Pay Transparency Is Coming by Veen on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @03:37AM (#28536332)
> The "lazy PhD" bit there really undermines your entire point. Have you seen what it takes to get a PhD?

It depends on the field, but however much effort it takes to get a PhD it's at best a weak proxy for how much value a particular employee provides to the business.

> and you will see your people take off

Yes, you'll see your best employees take off to an employer where they are paid better than their time-serving colleagues.

Re:Pay Transparency Is Coming by pm90 on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @03:51AM (#28536430)
> PhD it's at best a weak proxy for how much value a particular employee provides to the business.

Compensation is almost never based on what value employees provide to the business but what the market will pay for them. If PhDs get paid more it’s likely because the market is willing to pay more for people with those skills.

Fwiw: I don’t have a PhD. But I do find the lazy PhD bit pretty tiring too.

Re:Pay Transparency Is Coming by Ekaros on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @06:08AM (#28537284)
With PhD thing is the supply is relatively low. At least compared to number of Masters and Bachelors available. Thus just alone that they can cost more to hire. Demand is much more murky question however.
Re:Pay Transparency Is Coming by loudtieblahblah on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @07:47AM (#28537877)
People who excel in academia can often be horrid professionally
Re:Pay Transparency Is Coming by majormajor on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @11:58AM (#28540729)
I don't see the word "lazy" in the post you're responding to. They describe a lazy compensation scheme, though - a PhD apparently automatically gets more comp, regardless of on the job performance.
Re:Pay Transparency Is Coming by paperoli on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @07:43AM (#28537850)
Having lived with 4 PHD students while doing my masters it seems easier than having a job and generally suits people who are scared to enter the “real world”. These are people who are insecure about their intelligence and can suck up to their professors.
Re:Pay Transparency Is Coming by kuraudo on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @12:02PM (#28540768)
That's been my experience as well. I see zero value for phd's in my field. I'd rather train up a high school graduate: the high school graduate will take as long to train in most cases.