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Re:United States loses AAA credit rating from S&P by cperciva on Friday August 05, 2011 @10:53PM (#2852799)
the US is obligated by treaty to defend Latvia, but by the same token Latvia is obligated by treaty to defend the US

And, in fact, the only time that Article 5 of the NATO treaty -- the mutual self-defence article -- has been invoked was after 9/11, when the US used it to drag the rest of NATO into Afghanistan.

Re:United States loses AAA credit rating from S&P by philwelch on Friday August 05, 2011 @11:16PM (#2852841)
Not just into Afghanistan. A good chunk of the post-9/11 air patrols in North America were flown by allied aircraft.
Re:United States loses AAA credit rating from S&P by njharman on Saturday August 06, 2011 @12:53AM (#2853061)
Citation, something, anything to back up such a stupendous claim.
Re:United States loses AAA credit rating from S&P by philwelch on Saturday August 06, 2011 @05:04AM (#2853463)
Please see the CNN link posted by smallblacksun.
Re:United States loses AAA credit rating from S&P by georgieporgie on Saturday August 06, 2011 @02:40PM (#2854574)
He said, "A good chunk of the post-9/11 air patrols in North America were flown by allied aircraft."

The article says:

" Five NATO planes have arrived at Tinker Air Force Base in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma"

and:

"Most of the United States' 30 AWACS, based at Tinker, have been flying around-the-clock surveillance of U.S. airspace..."

In my opinion, the phrase, "a good chunk of" is dubious. In a few minutes of Googling, I could find no indication of how many missions (if any) those NATO planes flew.

Re:United States loses AAA credit rating from S&P by cperciva on Saturday August 06, 2011 @12:55AM (#2853065)
Allied, yes -- but that was NORAD, not NATO.
Re:United States loses AAA credit rating from S&P by smallblacksun on Saturday August 06, 2011 @03:49AM (#2853359)
[NATO deployed AWACS](http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/10/12/ret.nato.awacs/index.ht...) in the US after 9/11.
Re:United States loses AAA credit rating from S&P by jad on Friday August 05, 2011 @11:21PM (#2852855)
On the contrary, our NATO allies offered to help, but the Bush Administration famously replied, "thanks but no thanks, we'll do this ourselves."
Re:United States loses AAA credit rating from S&P by cperciva on Saturday August 06, 2011 @12:54AM (#2853063)
Not true. NATO staff discussed Article 5, decided that it was appropriate, spoke to Colin Powell, who supported it, and by the time the NATO council met to approve the draft statement concerning Article 5 George Bush had also signalled his support for it.

http://www.nato.int/docu/review/2006/issue2/english/art2.htm...

Re:United States loses AAA credit rating from S&P by jad on Saturday August 06, 2011 @02:56PM (#2854611)
I wasn't denying that NATO passed Article 5 for the first and only time in its history after the 9/11 attacks, and I wasn't denying that the US supported it. I was referring to the arm's length at which the Bush Administration held our NATO allies during the early stages of the Afghan war. The resulting hard feelings made it more difficult for Bush to get cooperation from those same allies during the run up to the Iraq War. This is a fact and was a common talking point at the time among liberals and others critical of Bush's foreign policy.

Fred Kaplan:

"Aside from letting a handful of NATO's AWACS radar planes come help patrol American skies, Bush's response was a shockingly terse: Thanks, but no thanks; we'll handle it by ourselves. Marc Grossman, the undersecretary of state for political affairs, later admitted to the Washington Times that the United States initially 'blew off' the allies. Douglas Feith, the undersecretary of defense for policy, said that the United States, in the Times' words, 'was so busy developing its [Afghanistan] war plans that it did not have time to focus on coordinating Europe's military role.'

"The effect, of course, was to alienate the allies just as they were rediscovering their affections. As London's conservative Financial Times later put it, 'A disdainful refusal even to respond to a genuine offer of support from close allies, at the time of America's most serious crisis in decades, spoke volumes about its attitude to the alliance.'"

http://www.slate.com/id/2088113/pagenum/all/

(The similarity between the "thanks but no thanks" phrase used by Kaplan and the one used by me is a complete coincidence. I found this article this afternoon when googling for something to support a rebuttal.)