It is upsetting to me that you appear to believe vaccines replace the role of your immune system.

The whole point of the original comment was that 1. someone with the vaccine and someone without both had an identical reaction to the virus and 2. just because everyone on the pro-vaccine side makes claims that this vaccine is safe, there are no long-term studies on it. So my point about my immune system was that yes I was willing to roll the dice and deal with the virus when/if it came to me. And I did. I will get downvoted for this on this particular site, because it is way more skewed to people that feel that the vaccine is a safe and effective measure. But, I didn't roll a 6 sided die while my friend rolled a 20 sided die.

There are no long term studies on COVID. But what informatrion we do have suggests it can cause prolonged damage.

Including erectile dysfunction.

Damn near (i.e. I no of no exceptions but I'm hedging my bets against the nit-pickers) every respiratory disease comes with a litany of possible long term effects that tend to mostly affect the people with the worst cases. Covid doesn't yet seem to be particularly special thus far in terms of likelihood or severity of long term effects.

If you can't breath stuff in your body breaks. Water is wet. More news at 11.

Reads to me like dismissing a burning building because it's just a typical fire.

COVID doesn't need to be worse than other respiratory diseases to be a problem if the baseline level of long term damage is bad.

Don't threaten me with a good time.

How do you think a vaccine works?

Most vaccines contain the actual virus. This vaccine does not.

Some of them are traditional inactivated virus vaccines. If that's your only point of concern, you should simply be advocating for J&J.

All of them still work by teaching your own immune system.

the difference with the J&J isn't the payload (spike protein), it's the delivery mechanism (adenovirus vs. mRNA)

That's not quite correct. Neither contains the spike protein. The delivery mechanisms are two different ways to tell the cells to produce the spike proteins. The immune system then learns how to respond to the spike protein presence.

The mechanisms are the payloads. They're different formats of the spike protein recipe.

Except the 6 and 20 numbers are ones you just made up to support your position and make yourself feel warm inside but this fact just makes your entire statement meaningless and at the center of your grin at your own wit is an empty, hollow nothing.

His point was that two processes can result in the same outcome when dependent on more factors than just the quality of the process. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't use the better process, just that it does not guarantee a better outcome. Only a better chance of a better outcome.

Though, based on the actual data we have, his numbers aren't bad for cases, and would need to be shifted to a dice with a lot more sides than a d20 for hospitalizations and deaths.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90675524/delta-variant-vaccinate...