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Re:United States loses AAA credit rating from S&P by quandrum on Friday August 05, 2011 @09:26PM (#2852565)
Why would you cut Social Security? It's in no danger.

And frankly, medicare wouldn't be if we killed the payroll tax cap. I never understood why it's ok for payroll taxes to be regressive.

Re:United States loses AAA credit rating from S&P by watchandwait on Friday August 05, 2011 @09:48PM (#2852615)
Social Security is supposed to be a pension program, not an income redistribution program. So you are making "contributions", not paying taxes, in the official lingo.

Of course the program is most regressive for younger workers, who pay the most and will get the least in return.

Social Security is in serious trouble, by the way, although it is not the driver of the current budget crisis. In just a couple of years the program goes into the red, and increasingly so as more boomers retire. The unfunded liability is around $8 trillion. That's serious money.

Re:United States loses AAA credit rating from S&P by jellicle on Friday August 05, 2011 @11:00PM (#2852811)
There's no such thing as an unfunded liability for Social Security. By law, SS is funded solely by payroll taxes. If payroll taxes are insufficient, benefit payments are reduced to match.

Social Security can never go bankrupt, and it can never be in debt.

Re:United States loses AAA credit rating from S&P by dpark on Saturday August 06, 2011 @12:41AM (#2853032)
> There's no such thing as an unfunded liability for Social Security.

This is wishful thinking. Social security benefits have been promised to a lot of people, and the money isn't there. It's all well and good to say they will just reduce benefits, but that's just a nice way of saying that they'll default on the liabilities.

In reality this is no different from Medicare or Medicaid, or the military budget, or anything else. Sure, we can in theory just reduce payout. The reality doesn't work out so neatly.

Re:United States loses AAA credit rating from S&P by vital_sol on Saturday August 06, 2011 @11:05AM (#2853988)
Social Security and Medicare are different from Medicaid and military budget, because they have different funding.

Social Security and Medicare are funded by payroll taxes. Medicaid and military budget funded from Federal income tax.

If you cut military budget 100%, you will save ~900 billions (or whatever the right number is) a year. If, on the other hand, you cut Social Security or Medicare, the savings are 0, because you will have to cut their funding as well. Surely, no one will pay Medicare taxes, if there is no Medicare exist, right?

Re:United States loses AAA credit rating from S&P by dpark on Saturday August 06, 2011 @11:37AM (#2854085)
This is a strange belief. Why in your mind would payroll tax be necessarily cut just because social security expenses drop? You do realize that social security is actually still running in the black, right? They are, right now, bringing in more money than they spend.

Guess what happens to the rest of the money: It gets spent elsewhere. Social security buys US Government debt with any excess, meaning it goes directly into the budget. In theory the SS trust has assets, but in reality the money is gone. It's one account holding a bunch of IOUs from a second account, and both accounts are owned by the federal government.

Re:United States loses AAA credit rating from S&P by eazolan on Friday August 05, 2011 @11:16PM (#2852839)
Why couldn't they just raise taxes?
Re:United States loses AAA credit rating from S&P by hnal943 on Saturday August 06, 2011 @01:16AM (#2853125)
Because the one thing almost every economist agrees on is raising taxes in a bad economy makes it worse.
Re:United States loses AAA credit rating from S&P by pauldino on Friday August 05, 2011 @09:44PM (#2852604)
The Medicare portion of FICA isn't capped, only social security is.
Re:United States loses AAA credit rating from S&P by veyron on Friday August 05, 2011 @11:17PM (#2852843)
Why aren't capital gains assessed medicare tax?
Re:United States loses AAA credit rating from S&P by Vivtek on Friday August 05, 2011 @11:43PM (#2852915)
People with capital gains don't want to pay for healthier poor people.
Re:United States loses AAA credit rating from S&P by joezydeco on Friday August 05, 2011 @09:49PM (#2852618)
"Put another way, the Federal Reserve says that the nation’s net wealth is about $57 trillion. That figure would have to be $18 trillion larger to generate enough additional G.D.P. to pay Social Security benefits without making anyone worse off in the future through higher taxes or lower benefits."

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/17/the-real-social...