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Re:A flawed paradigm has derailed the science of obesity by ghshephard on Monday September 13, 2021 @10:02PM (#28519333)
The problem with this theory is that in clinically controlled lab studies, where both food and exertion are measured carefully, the weight gain (or loss) is almost 100% predictable based on the inputs of food, exercise, and Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR). Unless your hypothesis is that the weight gain/loss is going into something else other than /fat/?

I'm guessing the reason nobody runs these studies is that it's solved science?

Re:A flawed paradigm has derailed the science of obesity by belltaco on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @12:00AM (#28520046)
Not true, for example:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/09/120912125114.h...

Also

>Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR)

What increases or decreases BMR?

E.g. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/6-years-after-the...

Why are there very slim people who struggle to gain weight regardless of how much they try to eat more?

What causes hunger pangs for people when they have half a million calories strapped to their waist?

>I'm guessing the reason nobody runs these studies is that it's solved science?

Exactly this type of thinking has stymied research into very interesting questions.

Re:A flawed paradigm has derailed the science of obesity by lkey on Monday September 13, 2021 @10:49PM (#28519629)
"I'm guessing the reason nobody runs these studies is that it's solved science?"

One of the article's main points is that the obsession with the calorie-only model (with the assumption that it's solved) has stymied even asking these fat-metabolism questions in the first place (outside of veterinary science, where they actively trying to make animals that get fat very quickly).

But yes, your body is free to store/burn mass and energy in muscles, tissue, glycogen and whatnot if it chooses to store the excess at all.

Of course if you force an environment of extreme depletion (like bootcamp as mentioned elsewhere), you body will get to its adipose tissue, but that's not going to solve the obesity epidemic. Most veterans get just as fat as the rest of the population after they leave the service.

I personally can feel when my glycogen has been depleted when working out. Once it's gone I look a bit anemic and /pushing/ beyond certain limits becomes impossible. Normally it's a precursor to me entering ketosis, which pretty much guarantees I'll be burning fat or muscle only from then out.

Re:A flawed paradigm has derailed the science of obesity by ghshephard on Monday September 13, 2021 @11:16PM (#28519800)
Now if only Taubes had written this essay with the same clarity and conciseness that your analysis of it just did, it would have gotten a lot more traction with me. I mean, he can at times be a great writer - "Why we get Fat" was a book that I and a lot of friend bought and debated at length - it was revolutionary (to us).
Re:A flawed paradigm has derailed the science of obesity by lkey on Monday September 13, 2021 @11:45PM (#28519983)
You might prefer the study itself. https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/advance-article/doi/10.1093/aj... Judging from the reactions here, he meandered too much and made his point badly with the majority of the commenting cohort, but there's a fair bit of selection bias to account for.