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Re:England vaccine passport plans ditched, health secretary ... by mapme on Sunday September 12, 2021 @10:14AM (#28501338)
For me the major point of vaccinating others is ensuring hospitals are not overwhelmed and have enough capacity to treat other patients and perform elective procedures.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2021/...

Re:England vaccine passport plans ditched, health secretary ... by makomk on Sunday September 12, 2021 @11:43AM (#28502169)
The UK probably has a large chunk of the benefit it could ever possibly get in terms of stopping the hospitals from being overwhelmed - vaccination levels are very high in the age groups that're most at risk here.
Re:England vaccine passport plans ditched, health secretary ... by thepasswordis on Sunday September 12, 2021 @10:19AM (#28501377)
Yeah this sure is a common talking point that comes up, but unfortunately for those who enjoy enforcing these things, it is not backed up by any data.

Daily deaths (which is the best proxy we have for hospitalization) is nowhere near any of the peaks we have had in the last year and a half.

If somehow deaths are down but hospital capacity is also down, that is the fault of the hospitals, not the vaccinated. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Re:England vaccine passport plans ditched, health secretary ... by amanaplanacanal on Sunday September 12, 2021 @10:27AM (#28501446)
You seem to be missing another option: that treatments get better so that hospitalization leads to fewer deaths than it did earlier. Which seems obviously true.

Why would deaths be the best proxy for hospitalization? Why don't you have actual hospitalization numbers?

Re:England vaccine passport plans ditched, health secretary ... by mapme on Sunday September 12, 2021 @10:26AM (#28501439)
Did you read the linked article? The governor of one of the largest US states asked hospitals to delay elective procedures to ensure hospital capacity.