But to respond to your point(?) covid patients that get sick enough to go to the ICU are there for a long time, while heart patients get better (or die) significantly faster, I recently heard an ICU doctor say on TV here (the Netherlands) that a covid ICU bed could help up to 8 heart patients, which makes it extra important to reduce the amount of covid cases.
That wasn't what I was trying to do at all, and I can't really see how you could get that from my initial reply, so I don't think we are going to agree on anything here, have a nice day.
Firstly, Ok: I take full responsibility for advocating for a temporary reduction of rights to stop the spread of a novel virus with the aim of reducing strain on the healthcare system. I also think that we made the right choice, waiting for EMA approval before starting vaccinating.
Right now here about 77% of the people (17,4 million) has been fully vaccinated and everything except nightclubs and big festivals has been reopened. I went to see The Green Knight a couple of weeks ago, didn't need a mask, or proof of vaccination/negative test. People haven't died en-masse from the vaccines, so things are pretty good right now.
There is still a big backlog in delayed care right now, so if the seasonal aspect of covid means we gotta partially shut down some things the next winter, so be it.
OTOH, a pandemic with high peaks of demand is hard to plan for. And having excess capacity on hand for such an occasion is hard when everyone is always upset about how expensive healthcare is.
If we assume that the biggest cause of heart disease is obesity and poor general health-keeping, the solution there is to completely change your lifestyle: new diet, new exercise regimen, etc. While I think people who are at risk should probably do that, that's a much heavier lift than getting a COVID vaccine.
But given that we mostly don't know how to avoid all forms of cancer (aside from things like "don't smoke and you probably won't get lung cancer"), I don't see what point you're trying to make there. I mean, ok, yes, we should all get vaccinated against COVID in order to make it vanishingly unlikely we'll have to take an ICU bed away from a cancer patient (who got cancer through no fault of their own) who might need it.
(Hint: it would be more dangerous to get a shot if you’ve already had it than to not, but it won’t make Fauxi & friends any money if you don’t. Gee, I wonder why they don’t advertise that.)
Get off your high horse and do your fucking part. People are dying of Covid19, and a lot of people who survive end up with permanent disabilites, while you engage in mental gymnastics with your hypotheticals!
It's not mental gymnastics to point out the information overload on one side of this issue, which makes absolutely no medical or scientific sense, yet makes a ton of profit "cents".
Given the fact that you've made an absolutist statement about immunity that doesn't track with the studies I've read, I suspect it's sadly the latter.
(Natural immunity may give rise to more mature memory B-cells, which could be better than the memory B-cells you get with vaccination, but the vaccines do provoke your immune system to produce many more antibodies than found in the aftermath of natural infection. So the jury is kinda still out on this.)
The state of the world is obvious from the activity on this forum. If these are supposed to be "intelligent hackers" here, god help the human race.
The pandemic is first and foremost a health issue, not a resource issue.
If you receive care and have nocomorbid conditions, Covid for most won’t be dangerous, certainly not as dangerous as the 1918 pandemic, which killed young people.
Covid 19 results in mild symptoms for most young people. In comparison, the 1918 pandemic was most deadly if you were young, or old.
There is a qualitative difference between the diseases.