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Re:Biden to mandate coronavirus vaccine for federal workers by csomar on Friday September 10, 2021 @05:14AM (#28479281)
The whole point of democracy and freedom is that you convince people with words and not with sticks. If people are refusing a vaccine, that means you (as the political class, media class, scientific class) have failed your job to educate a segment of your population.

It is easy to blame people for what could be your shortcomings. But this is not 5% or 10% of your population, it seems to be around 40-50%. This is more of a crisis of faith on both public and private institutions and it certainly doesn't get fixed with sticks and by removing more rights (and thus reinforcing the believes that made these people refuse the vaccine in the first place).

Re:Biden to mandate coronavirus vaccine for federal workers by enkid on Friday September 10, 2021 @05:22AM (#28479312)
It doesn't help that major components of the "political class" are being the biggest babies and spreading straight up disinformation. Sure, we shouldn't have to have a mandate, but we are now at the point where it makes no sense not to have one and people can't see that because they are being routinely lied to by people that have the vaccine and by organizations that have the mandate.
Re:Biden to mandate coronavirus vaccine for federal workers by csomar on Friday September 10, 2021 @05:24AM (#28479330)
> It doesn't help that major components of the "political class" are being the biggest babies and spreading straight up disinformation.

Again, this is your shortcoming. It doesn't get fixed by forcing people to have something injected inside of them and have their movement restricted by sanitary passports.

Re:Biden to mandate coronavirus vaccine for federal workers by croon on Friday September 10, 2021 @05:41AM (#28479413)
Where does personal responsibility come into the equation? You say it's someone else's fault they haven't educated someone, but that someone has to carry some responsibility on being receptive and to evaluate information, no?

Being persuaded and being informed are hopefully related, but demonstrably different.

Re:Biden to mandate coronavirus vaccine for federal workers by enkid on Friday September 10, 2021 @05:42AM (#28479420)
This is not "my" shortcoming. This is a shortcoming of the system that we have to make up for in some way, like having a vaccine mandate.
Re:Biden to mandate coronavirus vaccine for federal workers by Broken_Hippo on Friday September 10, 2021 @05:29AM (#28479354)
"The whole point of democracy and freedom is that you convince people with words and not with sticks."

This is just false, though. The whole point of democracy is to allow folks to have a voice in their politics, not to avoid forcing folks to do things. We force folks to do things all of the time. This is what laws do: Sometimes they are easy to follow, but we also know that if we don't have, say, building codes and food safety laws that some folks will cut too many corners building or add weird things to bread (like in the 1800's).

Simply put, you aren't always going to be able to use words. And it seems vaccinations are similar.