>Most of the normal, non-techie folks I have talked to about this find the idea of taking nudes as scandalous and wouldn't take the risk.

Damn near every person I've ever met in my age group who has used a smartphone or computer has used it for every aspect of their personal lives to include the sexual parts of their lives. There is an expectation of privacy that average folks have on their devices. It's where they search for their most sensitive medical information, search for relationship advice, watch porn, and explore their curiosities without censorship.

I'm not sure where you are finding these puritan self-censoring non-techies who treat their devices as open books, but I've certainly never met them.

Heck, I am a male, over forty, and there are nudes of me in my phone. Sad to find out I am not normal!

> Damn near every person I've ever met in my age group who has used a smartphone or computer has used it for every aspect of their personal lives to include the sexual parts of their lives...I'm not sure where you are finding these puritan self-censoring non-techies who treat their devices as open books, but I've certainly never met them.

Wow, you (and plenty of other people) seem awfully defensive at the idea that not every social group shares the same norms as the groups you belong to. I wasn't even making a normative claim (or at least not a very strong one) just a personal observation.

I agree that smartphones are intensely personal devices, and that people should have a reasonable expectation of privacy. But there's more to be concerned about than just what corporations or governments can do by following the rules. I would say the average person who doesn't take nudes might be just as concerned about an angry ex, or "hackers", or just accidentally bringing them up while they show someone pictures of their new house (or whatever) as they are about Apple or the USG.

They might not even have a specified threat model, they might just really nervous about the idea of those pictures being shared forever on the internet.

I think it is a perception vs reality. I think you are right, but the key point is, many people won't admit they've used their phones in the manner. But just because they say that does not mean it is truth.

This is a company phone.

The company also heavily pushes you towards using that corporate phone.

Huh? It’s a company phone. If they push you to use it, that’s why they have it to you.

If you have naked pictures of yourself on your corporate phone that’s 100% your fault.

Do we have proofs that’s the case? (I.e: that Apple pushes to use same account for work and private life) That has been repeated multiple times but I haven’t seen something that could confirm it.

That’s another way to write can not prevent you from having a personal phone and using that one for intimate things.

How old are your friends? For younger generations it would be weird not to have nudes on your phone.

Early thirties on average. I'm young enough that sending nudes on phones was a thing (if not necessarily a big thing) in high school.

The thing is, if someone has nudes of you on their phone, there's a non-zero chance those nudes will end up on the Internet. Maybe you like your odds, but plenty of people dont.

Most of the normal, non-techie folks I know use non end to end encrypted chats to send nudes. I had to convince them whatsapp was better than snapchat. Maybe people have different feelings based on if they grew up with technology.

To note, nudes don't need to be sexual. Someone dieting and taking naked photos every day would be a normal thing to do, for instance.

There must thousands of other reasons someone could take nude photos of themselves on devices they assume only them has access to.

Yet they wouldn't be surprised that the devices are used to download nudes of others! There's a consumer-only angle here that's interesting.