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Re:Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate by DiogenesKynikos on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @02:23PM (#28461110)
As New Zealand and China have shown, it is within our power to avert almost all deaths from CoVID-19. They have gotten through the pandemic with orders of magnitude fewer deaths per capita and far greater everyday freedoms than most of the world. Quarantine for international travelers is one of the tools they have used.

"People die" as an excuse for letting millions of people die of preventable causes is a terrible attitude to take.

Re:Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate by chitowneats on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @08:20PM (#28464683)
China is lying and New Zealand is one of the most remote places in the entire world.

I hate to be this blunt but you're kidding yourself if you think this was ever an option for the United States.

With respect to "preventable causes", I already responded to that point. Most death is preventable. Or at least delay-able. That does not mean everyone agrees with your scorched earth campaigns to prevent it.

Re:Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate by DiogenesKynikos on Thursday September 09, 2021 @04:16AM (#28467470)
China has zero community transmission.

Here on HN, there are plenty of people who live in China, or who have family/friends/colleagues in China. They can tell you what the situation in the country is.

For more than a year, bars, restaurants and most other things have been open, mass gatherings have been allowed, etc. In densely packed cities with Guangzhou and Shanghai, what do you think R0 would be under those circumstances? Any community transmission would quickly grow into a major outbreak, just like in Wuhan in December 2019.

Yet there's no such outbreak. And no, there's no conceivable way the government could hide such an outbreak.

That's why it's simply not credible to claim that there is any substantial community transmission in China.

The other thing is that you can look at how rigorous the reaction is to every new case of community transmission. There have been small outbreaks in China over the last year, but they've been contained using contact tracing, mass testing, and lockdowns (usually only of individual neighborhoods, but sometimes of cities).