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Re:First Edition Unix Manual 'Miscellaneous' Section (1971) ... by exmadscientist on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @10:23AM (#28457454)
It's easier than you'd think to make the transition if you're willing to go into embedded development. Pretty much any demo of competence can get you hired as demand is high and the work is challenging.

Pick up a Nucleo or mbed board and make something cool!

Re:First Edition Unix Manual 'Miscellaneous' Section (1971) ... by necovek on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @10:28AM (#28457542)
> Pick up a Nucleo or mbed board and make something cool!

That's currently in conflict with my life circumstances ;-)

The number of "projects" I wish I could do sitting on my shelves already surpasses the time I can find to spend on them.

Basically, I want to be paid to "learn," and I think I'll be fair value in a month or two. So the question is how to get there? ;-)

Re:First Edition Unix Manual 'Miscellaneous' Section (1971) ... by _jal on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @10:38AM (#28457691)
Another way of putting this is, you choose to let available opportunities shape your future career.

You can do that, or you can choose to exert some control over the process.

Re:First Edition Unix Manual 'Miscellaneous' Section (1971) ... by exmadscientist on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @10:48AM (#28457834)
If you're not willing to spend ~20-40 hours getting an Arduino-class object to, say, talk to a MMC/SD/SDHC card using only your own code, no libraries (this is something I can do easily as a rusty hybrid EE-FW guy who is now mostly EE), then I don't know what to suggest.
Re:First Edition Unix Manual 'Miscellaneous' Section (1971) ... by necovek on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @11:02AM (#28458104)
Thank you for conflating "not willing" with "unable". Also on suggesting how a 20-40h project will make me appear as an expert in embedded programming.
Re:First Edition Unix Manual 'Miscellaneous' Section (1971) ... by exmadscientist on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @11:21AM (#28458418)
> Also on suggesting how a 20-40h project will make me appear as an expert in embedded programming.

That was actually my real point. For many smaller companies, it will. General programming experience plus any honest signal, even small, of low-level qualification will get you attention. We get lots of generalist candidates for our embedded positions and the #1 easiest high-signal filter for us is "how do we know they're actually interested in embedded?" Pass that, and things can open up for you.

Re:First Edition Unix Manual 'Miscellaneous' Section (1971) ... by necovek on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @01:03PM (#28459925)
Cool, thanks: that is useful feedback!

I haven't applied for a lower level dev so far, but it gives me some encouragement to maybe try next time I want to switch positions (though I did work or get offers on some embedded dev shops, but on the web side of things).

Re:First Edition Unix Manual 'Miscellaneous' Section (1971) ... by the_only_law on Thursday September 09, 2021 @01:15AM (#28466500)
> That was actually my real point. For many smaller companies, it will.

Just an observation, but I've almost never seen job postings for entry/junior level engineers in the embedded/systems world. Only senior-staff level roles (I get the feeling that a lot of early career talent in these domains is sourced from local university pipelines). This has been my observation across both small companies and large corporations. Are these shops really considering people who's only experience is some contrived side projects at that level?

Re:First Edition Unix Manual 'Miscellaneous' Section (1971) ... by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @11:32AM (#28458592)
So, um, are you hiring? And where are you located?
Re:First Edition Unix Manual 'Miscellaneous' Section (1971) ... by exmadscientist on Thursday September 09, 2021 @01:11AM (#28466473)
Seattle, and, no, not for firmware engineers (we have a pretty solid firmware team!).
Re:First Edition Unix Manual 'Miscellaneous' Section (1971) ... by jcelerier on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @04:09PM (#28462381)
> It's easier than you'd think to make the transition if you're willing to go into embedded development.

for which salary tho. just checked a bit the current offers and in my country, senior embedded engineer is 60k€ / year at most, and I saw a fair bit around 40k€...