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Re:The SEC has told us it wants to sue us over Lend. We don’... by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @02:01AM (#28453589)
> lending the bank your money with an 0.04% interest rate. Is that a security?

No. Banks are regulated separately and more strenuously than securities firms, much less issuers. If Coinbase wants to offer Lend as an FDIC-insured deposit account, I’m sure the SEC would be fine with it. But Coinbase can’t do that because it doesn’t follow the rules banks must follow.

Re:The SEC has told us it wants to sue us over Lend. We don’... by eru on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @02:16AM (#28453681)
And FDIC might not want them.
Re:The SEC has told us it wants to sue us over Lend. We don’... by throwaway2037 on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @03:14AM (#28454074)
I agree. It is very unlikely that FDIC would allow it. As I understand, all deposit products, including certificates of deposit, are guaranteed up to a certain amount with FDIC regulated banking institutions. The same is also true of securities brokers, but under a different regulator (SEC?) and different programme.
Re:The SEC has told us it wants to sue us over Lend. We don’... by illgenr on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @03:05AM (#28454008)
Might is probably an understatement.
Re:The SEC has told us it wants to sue us over Lend. We don’... by davedx on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @03:43AM (#28454288)
But is Lend a security? As far as I can tell, there's no contract for capital flows that you can trade with others. Lend isn't fungible, the USDC is.
Re:The SEC has told us it wants to sue us over Lend. We don’... by ketzo on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @04:04AM (#28454415)
As I understand it, there doesn’t need to be a liquid market for something in order for it to be a security; just an investment of capital with the expectation of return through the efforts of a third party (the Howey test)
Re:The SEC has told us it wants to sue us over Lend. We don’... by tylerhou on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @04:24AM (#28454512)
Startup stock is a security, despite trade restrictions (e.g. right of first refusal). Same with restricted (i.e. unvested) stock units.
Re:The SEC has told us it wants to sue us over Lend. We don’... by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @10:37AM (#28457677)
> is Lend a security?

According to Coinbase, the SEC said "they consider Lend to involve a security." Not that it is a security. The second question is (a) more ambiguous and (b) a red herring from Coinbase.

If Coinbase is taking deposits from customers to engage in securities trading, it's acting as a bank or broker-dealer. It is registered and regulated as neither. Note that Kraken and Gemini have state banking charters. Coinbase is drawing a false equivalence. The entire enterprise stinks of bad faith, possibly fraud.

Re:The SEC has told us it wants to sue us over Lend. We don’... by dboreham on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @07:52AM (#28455737)
Everyone in the cryptocurrency industry is familiar with the Howey test.