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Re:Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate by smcleod on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @10:11PM (#28452220)
Almost 11 years in Melbourne (from NZ) and I couldn't agree more.

The 220~ days (and counting) that Melbourne has been in lockdown has certainly worn me down, but even before C19 the political climate, attitude towards technology, cost of housing and the impact of increasing bushfires has taken an enormous toll on the country over the past decade that I've been here.

Re:Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate by fhe on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @10:52PM (#28452481)
How would you compare NZ with Australia? What are the big differences you noticed? Thanks.
Re:Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate by smcleod on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @12:05AM (#28452898)
In my experience New Zealand is more different from Australia than a lot of Australians seem to assume.

Generally speaking New Zealand is far more socially liberal than Australia, however there are greater financial / job opportunities in Australia due to it's size.

In New Zealand you're less likely to own a fancy new car or have has many expensive possessions but to me at least it didn't feel like you "need" them as much as in Australia.

There weren't many tech job opportunities in New Zealand given its small population, however I suspect the global rise in remote work coupled with New Zealand's relatively capable internet infrastructure may be changing this.

Entertainment wise New Zealand hands down has more stunning, enjoyable, accessible nature and outdoors - while Australia pre-covid has a far more international offerings (musicians, comedy etc...).

Property prices are absolutely insane in both countries if you want to live in city / inner suburbs.

It's hard to explain but I've always felt that if Australia was socially and politically the USA, New Zealand would perhaps be somewhere in Scandinavia.

What's stopping me from moving back to New Zealand? - My life (friends, work, cat) is in Melbourne, if I was offered a good job opportunity back in the South Island of NZ and moving costs covered - I'd certainly be considering it.

Of course this is all highly subjective and only based on my experiences / observations.

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Re:Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate by sails on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @05:09AM (#28454779)
South Africans moving to NZ often mention the "tall poppy syndrome" in NZ. Do you feel like that is a fair comment?

This comment reminded me of the concept:

> In New Zealand you're less likely to own a fancy new car or have has many expensive possessions but to me at least it didn't feel like you "need" them as much as in Australia.

[] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome

Re:Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate by smcleod on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @05:25AM (#28454883)
Yeah it absolutely is but it's also simply part of New Zealand culture / identity to try to be humble
Re:Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate by girvo on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @11:19PM (#28452635)
I'm a Kiwi who's lived in Australia for two thirds of my life.

New Zealand's economy and cost-of-living is markedly weaker and higher than Australia's; the property-is-the-only-investment idea is somehow even worse in NZ, at least lately

The day-to-day life in NZ is lovely though. At least where I'm from in Northland.

Australia and NZ are more similar than they are different, I feel.

Re:Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate by potatochup on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @11:44PM (#28452766)
My hot take: (lived in NZ, Aus, NL and USA)

Both places are are similar in that:

  - They have good access to nature/beaches
  - Property prices are nuts, most people see property as their primary investment vehicle. This is a big cause of wealth inequality
  - general populace has a relatively easygoing disposition
Aus has better weather (assuming you like warm and sunny), higher salaries and is somewhat less far from the world if you want to travel

NZ has a better human rights record, much cleaner grid, and doesn't seem to have the authoritarian bent that Aus does. It's like the slightly hippie/socialist/woke little sibling.

Re:Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate by desertraven on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @12:36AM (#28453082)
Could you add NL and USA to your comparison by any chance? Just curious.
Re:Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate by potatochup on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @01:52AM (#28453531)
The USA is hard to gauge because its much bigger and more diverse. Housing affordability, access to nature etc all vary heaps by region. Culturally Australia has the most in common with the USA, although the general populace in the USA seem less apathetic about politics.

The Netherlands has rubbish weather for 2/3rds of the year and not a single mountain/hill/beach worth mentioning, but is extremely liveable. Income/CoL ratios tend to be higher than the Bay Area for a given quality-of-life, although you might be earning less in absolute terms. Cities and Towns are very well designed, even Amsterdam (outside the center) feels like a cosy village but you still get access to big-city things. Probably more socialist than NZ, with things like this happening https://nltimes.nl/2021/09/02/dutch-cities-want-ban-property...

Re:Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate by MomoXenosaga on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @05:40AM (#28454967)
Americans like to say that they are "free" but there are so many religious crazies.

Ultimately I can't live in a country where people are religious so that leaves only North Europe and the Netherlands is the most antichrist of them all.

Re:Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate by tick_tock_tick on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @12:18AM (#28452983)
Why are they still in lockdown? Vaccine rates seem fine enough to at-least let most people do whatever they want.
Re:Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate by smcleod on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @01:11AM (#28453294)
No, unfortunately Australia is only 31% fully vaccinated!

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/ng-inter...