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Re:A generation of American men give up on college by gumby on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @06:36AM (#28443108)
I built my house with union labor (union shop) and found the level of competence higher than was typical with jo the random contractor (of course there are exceptions, and for some jobs it doesn’t matter).

Likewise with the machine shop a few jobs ago: although we weren’t a union shop, for some jobs we hired contractors in for the union members produced better work, especially for the safety critical stuff.

I have no experience with unions outside the skilled trades — certainly there are many horror stories.

Re:A generation of American men give up on college by pibechorro on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @06:56AM (#28443233)
Every union I interacted with in NYC was a borderline scam. Slow, inneficient, overpriced and outright hostile.
Re:A generation of American men give up on college by kortilla on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @09:09AM (#28444304)
> built my house with union labor (union shop) and found the level of competence higher than was typical with jo the random contractor

So you built two homes, one with a well researched union labor group and one with a well researched contractor? Or is this just some BS elaboration based on comparing contractors you hired for small time shit with the big house job?

Re:A generation of American men give up on college by gumby on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @12:42PM (#28446878)
Excellent epistemic inquiry. I’ve owned homes for over 30 years, and have experience with hiring contractors for remodels. Also hired non-union contractors to do building work on offices over the years. And the company that had a machine shop? One of our channels was home construction and overall I was not impressed with the kind of work I encountered.

But to really get to your question: I started my 3-year home construction odyssey with a non-union contractor who had to be fired due to poor execution. The replacement was a union shop. That’s about as much A/B testing as one can get.

Re:A generation of American men give up on college by kortilla on Saturday September 18, 2021 @11:43PM (#28581505)
So you had one bad experience building a home with a non-union contractor and extrapolated. Seems sound enough.