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Re:Missing businesswoman urges ex-husband not to publish boo... by ncmncm on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @04:35AM (#28442425)
People who speak other Chinese languages are translating to and from written Mandarin. They are not taught to write their spoken language. Nobody would read it if they did.

Spelling with Chinese characters is a tricky business. It is not enough to write the syllables; for each of ~1200 syllables there are several characters to choose from. Which to use in each word is purely a product of history, but the rules people learn are only for Mandarin.

It is funny that Chinese people who only know Mandarin mostly don't know this; it is not safe to talk about in China. So, Cantonese speakers let them continue to believe that Cantonese is "just pronounced differently", rather than being a whole language of its own. (Are French and Spanish just dialects of Latin?)

Re:Missing businesswoman urges ex-husband not to publish boo... by angelzen on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @06:31AM (#28443089)
'Are French and Spanish just dialects of Latin?' Yes :)
Re:Missing businesswoman urges ex-husband not to publish boo... by DFHippie on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @11:32AM (#28446055)
"Dialect" here means mutually intelligible. Mutual intelligibility is a fuzzy threshold, incidentally. I was in Spain once hanging out with an Italian guy. The Spanish speakers around could make sense of his Italian but he couldn't make sense of their Spanish. I think the essential problem was that they were more interested in understanding him than he was in understanding them, so they put in more effort.
Re:Missing businesswoman urges ex-husband not to publish boo... by angelzen on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @02:07PM (#28447862)
Hypothesis: The Italian guy might have a better chance of picking up Spanish if the Spaniards were to speak a bit slower than usual :) Especially at the fuzzy mutual intelligibility boundary, a lower communication speed helps.

Italian syllables/minute: 405

Spanish syllables/minute: 526

https://irisreading.com/average-reading-speed-in-various-lan...

Re:Missing businesswoman urges ex-husband not to publish boo... by thaumasiotes on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @04:29PM (#28449522)
Wouldn't speaking speed be a more relevant metric than reading speed?
Re:Missing businesswoman urges ex-husband not to publish boo... by angelzen on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @04:38PM (#28449642)
Correct. They correlate though. In practice going half speed would probably be better, giving the brain time to recognize the unusual dialect.

Italian: 6.99 syllables per second

Spanish: 7.82 syllables per second

https://thelanguagenerds.com/2019/list-of-the-fastest-spoken...