Re:Can progressives be convinced that genetics matters?
by aqsalose on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @03:31AM
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> I found very large improvements in working memory from taking 20-minute afternoon naps
Sure. My ability to do anything also drops to near zero if I don't sleep enough. Yet I have not found unlimited increases in capability if sleep more and more...
> modafinil
Yeah, drugs are a quite different beast. Doping happens when individual athlete realizes they have hit the limits what their "natural" biology can do and yet still are not going to win the competition.
Re:Can progressives be convinced that genetics matters?
by kragen on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @03:37AM
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Yeah, the drawback of modafinil is that it seems to reduce my ability to recall things from long-term memory. Also, it makes it hard to switch tasks when it's necessary.
Re:Can progressives be convinced that genetics matters?
by inter_netuser on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @05:55AM
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There is something called U-shaped response, with stimulants.
If you are functioning at the optimal point - stimulants will only make your performance worse.
You are likely sleep deprived, for whatever reason. That's all.
Re:Can progressives be convinced that genetics matters?
by kragen on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @12:41PM
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I don't think that's the case at all.
Re:Can progressives be convinced that genetics matters?
by inter_netuser on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @01:21AM
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sleep deprivation, or deterioration of performance on U shaped curve?
Re:Can progressives be convinced that genetics matters?
by kragen on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @03:07AM
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I don't think I'm suffering from sleep deprivation. Certainly it is true that if you take enough stimulants your performance will worsen! In fact, if you take enough stimulants you'll die and your performance will be zilch!
Interestingly, testing myself with the Wechsler reverse-digit-span test, I found very large improvements in working memory from taking 20-minute afternoon naps and from modafinil. I'm not claiming everyone is alike, of course, but working memory is definitely not as fixed as height and eye color.
Specifically with regard to mental math, I find I can do a lot more when I'm lying in bed in a dark room than when I'm in an uncomfortable chair in a noisy cafe with people talking to me. Or, for that matter, classroom.
> Many of these students grew up in rich neighborhoods with good parents. They had most advantages you can imagine, seem reasonably intelligent when you talk to them, but Algebra will always be beyond them.
I tried marijuana once and found the opposite effect: when I was high, by the time I got to the end of saying a sentence, I couldn't remember how it had begun. But people report that I seemed like I was conversing normally; if they didn't know me, they wouldn't have realized anything was off. I wonder if these folks were experiencing something similar all their lives?