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Re:Rumble, an open source, offline, censorship resistant mic... by ctrlp on Monday September 06, 2021 @07:47PM (#28439356)
Reputational cost to whom? The platforms? Due to network effects they are quasi-monopolies. The FAANGs have moved in recent years to cement their monopolies via government influence. What did they have to offer in return? Political donations and censorship-on-demand.

Or do you mean the bad actors are the ones initiating censoring on behalf of the platforms (via scurrilous flagging of wrongthink, or by mobbing down heterodox opinion). The platforms are taking their cues from politics (government and tech culture) and don't need the reporting system to censor people.

I assume you don't mean there's a lack of reputational cost to bad actors and the bad actors are those who are being censored, as that wouldn't make sense.

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Re:Rumble, an open source, offline, censorship resistant mic... by BuyMyBitcoins on Monday September 06, 2021 @09:04PM (#28439749)
If you see the world in such a simple view, you’re likely trapped in a misinformation bubble too.
Re:Rumble, an open source, offline, censorship resistant mic... by ctrlp on Monday September 06, 2021 @08:41PM (#28439628)
That's quite contemptuous of half the U.S. voting population. The 75 million people who voted for Trump in 2016 might beg to differ about who/what put Trump in office. Are you equally sure no misinformation was spread to elect Biden in 2020?
Re:Rumble, an open source, offline, censorship resistant mic... by MaysonL on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @01:11AM (#28441160)
That's actually 2020, when he lost. In 2016 he got less than 63 million votes.
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Re:Rumble, an open source, offline, censorship resistant mic... by krageon on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @07:59AM (#28443616)
> American history

Arguably all American (assuming you mean to refer to the US here) history is recent. In that sense, I would say their history of slavery (and more recently blatant and publicly endorsed racism) is probably a little darker than their trend of putting increasingly confused old men in power.

Re:Rumble, an open source, offline, censorship resistant mic... by ctrlp on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @08:53AM (#28444106)
Without minimizing the cultural importance of Gamergate, you are vastly overstating its influence on the 2016 election. If you want to understand Trump in 2016, you'd be better off looking at the Tea Party and the rise of populism contra the ossified Republican establishment.
Re:Rumble, an open source, offline, censorship resistant mic... by seventytwo on Monday September 06, 2021 @09:14PM (#28439794)
In America,the first amendment protects you from government censorship. It doesn’t protect you from censorship that occurs naturally in society or the marketplace.

Freedom of speech means you have freedom from the government. It does not mean you have freedom from societal consequences or that you’re entitled to a platform or audience.

There are many forms of speech which society has decided to censor. We have decided to outlaw libel, slander, perjury, dissemination of child porn or classified info, etc., and we are familiar with many which cause immediate social or business repercussions (generally being an asshole, berating waitstaff, yelling at the top of your lungs in a quiet place, any kind of unwanted speech PN private property, etc.).

Re:Rumble, an open source, offline, censorship resistant mic... by ctrlp on Monday September 06, 2021 @09:24PM (#28439844)
What is your opinion of public/private partnerships? What would you say if the government pressures private organizations to censor individuals? Is that still 'private' censorship? What if partisan government officials take board seats or top management positions at these platforms, and vice versus? Your depiction of First Amendment protections seems incomplete if you don't account for the reality of government by proxy. It's no surprise that the state would externalize its censorship to circumvent civil liberties protections.
Re:Rumble, an open source, offline, censorship resistant mic... by seventytwo on Monday September 06, 2021 @10:17PM (#28440139)
There’s an infinite number of non-ideal permutations you could bring up. Those can be hammered out by the court system and legal precedent, or any issues can be worked by legislature or put back to the voters.
Re:Rumble, an open source, offline, censorship resistant mic... by iammisc on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @01:09AM (#28441142)
Except the courts have failed to hammer them out due to apparently no one having standing. Even the government itself is apparently no longer allowed to bring anti trust complaints. Legislatures have been ignored recently with executive departments overriding even the federal supreme court in their attempts to exert control.

And we all know how large swaths of goo voters and a surprisingly high number of democrat voters feel about the integrity of elections.

Regardless of your views, this is a slow motion trainwreck

Re:Rumble, an open source, offline, censorship resistant mic... by TeeMassive on Monday September 06, 2021 @11:01PM (#28440452)
> In America,the first amendment protects you from government censorship. It doesn’t protect you from censorship that occurs naturally in society or the marketplace.

Correct. But even in the marketplace there are limits for things like discrimination.

> We have decided to outlaw libel, slander, perjury, dissemination of child porn or classified info

Actually those are not constitutionally protected speech. This "censorship" does not come from social norms as you seem to imply, but by the government itself.

> and we are familiar with many which cause immediate social or business repercussions

The White House in a press conference said they were flagging posts to Facebook. This can make Facebook a government actor if they were forced, paid or coerced to do so (which they probably are)

> (generally being an asshole, berating waitstaff, yelling at the top of your lungs in a quiet place, any kind of unwanted speech PN private property, etc.).

You can't mute or block or unfollow someone in most normal social situations. This comparison is dubious at best.

Re:Rumble, an open source, offline, censorship resistant mic... by raxxorrax on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @02:39AM (#28441660)
> It doesn’t protect you from censorship that occurs naturally in society or the marketplace.

I prefer to associate with those that don't have to be compelled by law to hold up the principle of free speech. Because following the others would only ensure that such rights would have never been implemented.