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Re:Germany wants smartphone makers to offer 7 years of softw... by Hackbraten on Monday September 06, 2021 @12:43PM (#28435501)
Buying a phone that lasts you seven years may still be cheaper than buying two.
Re:Germany wants smartphone makers to offer 7 years of softw... by worldofmatthew on Monday September 06, 2021 @12:47PM (#28435547)
Your average person breaks devices before than and you expect people to have access to a load of money at once?
Re:Germany wants smartphone makers to offer 7 years of softw... by danhor on Monday September 06, 2021 @12:57PM (#28435655)
A very capable smartphone currently costs ~200€, so if prices rise by 50% (an unbelievable amount), that would be 300€. Certainly not nothing, but car repairs or a new dishwasher are much more expensive.

I expect the poorest to benefit the most from extended longevity, since more affluent people "need" the better camera or a more fashionable design the most.

I know quite a few people with >3 year old smartphones, but mostly with custom roms, since stock firmware isn't usable anymore.

Re:Germany wants smartphone makers to offer 7 years of softw... by worldofmatthew on Monday September 06, 2021 @01:48PM (#28436171)
1. 100 euros is a lot of money to the poorest people in society. Many of them can't afford a car or dishwasher.

2. "longevity" means nothing when most people keep dropping their phone. Even used phones that appear perfect can start bootlooping months after buying because of damage caused by the first owner and the eBay seller won't accept returns by than, even if you could prove it was not caused by you.

Re:Germany wants smartphone makers to offer 7 years of softw... by commoner on Monday September 06, 2021 @01:55PM (#28436252)
Most people I know get a phone case to limit damage to their phone. A case is an inexpensive investment that usually pays for itself many times over.

Someone who is really clumsy or in a situation where they are much more likely than average to drop their phone should purchase phone insurance.

And for uninsured people who happen to break their phone, it would still be cheaper to repair it than to get a new one. Repaired phones still benefit from longer support lifecycles, and the proposed legislation would ensure that spare parts are affordable and available.

Re:Germany wants smartphone makers to offer 7 years of softw... by worldofmatthew on Monday September 06, 2021 @02:45PM (#28436708)
A case is fantastic at protecting the outer areas of the phone by being a layer that comes in contact with the ground. They do fuck all to protect the internals as the forces still exist and can break a phone months down the road from the drop.
Re:Germany wants smartphone makers to offer 7 years of softw... by commoner on Monday September 06, 2021 @02:53PM (#28436767)
That contrasts sharply with my experiences, having dropped phones that were adequately protected by cheap cases on many occasions. These phones were still working fine years later, with no internal or external damage. Users who are more concerned about phone damage can buy tougher multi-layer cases, which are still great investments.
Re:Germany wants smartphone makers to offer 7 years of softw... by Hackbraten on Monday September 06, 2021 @01:02PM (#28435721)
The former is why right to repair is so important.

The latter may be a problem but you could still buy an older (mid-cycle) model instead of the latest one and still get updates for years.

Re:Germany wants smartphone makers to offer 7 years of softw... by worldofmatthew on Monday September 06, 2021 @01:49PM (#28436191)
Right to repair is nearly meaningless on the budget-end as a repair guy will charge £50 to £100 for the labour plus parts with their own mark-up.

Does everyone on hackernews get paid £100k a year and spend over £1,000 on a phone?

Re:Germany wants smartphone makers to offer 7 years of softw... by AdrianB1 on Monday September 06, 2021 @04:52PM (#28437982)
A repair in Romania (EU, unlike UK) has a labor cost of 10-20EUR depending on the complexity; in most cases the "repair" is just replacing a component that has connectors, so it takes minutes, or swapping a new battery. A £100 fee sounds like science-fiction or lack of common sense.
Re:Germany wants smartphone makers to offer 7 years of softw... by krageon on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @09:06AM (#28444270)
A fee of 100-120 euros is not unusual in a part of the EU that isn't dirt poor, nothing science fiction about it.
Re:Germany wants smartphone makers to offer 7 years of softw... by Hackbraten on Monday September 06, 2021 @03:24PM (#28437031)
If a person can’t afford expected repair expenses during the useful lifetime of a product, then they can’t afford that product.

You wouldn’t buy a car either without planning for repair costs.