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Re:Plans for a new city in the American desert by hn_throwaway_99 on Monday September 06, 2021 @12:28PM (#28435328)
I'm very curious, have there ever been any "cities from the ground up" projects that don't turn out to be total shit that end up just reflecting the urban planning fallacies of the day? (Looking at you, Brasilia)

I mean, all of the cities that are most "livable" in my mind are old cities that were designed before the car and thus have enough density and public transportation to make things both close and also the kind of place where it's fun to just walk around.

These "master planned cities" always end up like houses that are designed with all these pretty rooms that nobody actually uses.

Re:Plans for a new city in the American desert by lprubin on Monday September 06, 2021 @12:39PM (#28435442)
Wikipedia has a really interesting world list of "Planned Cities" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_community)

It also has a decent rundown of modern American ones (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_community#Modern_plann...).

You'll have to use your own judgement on a case by case basis if they were successful or not and if they meet your personal definition of master planned.

But I found the lists a very interesting read.

Re:Plans for a new city in the American desert by trgn on Monday September 06, 2021 @08:42PM (#28439632)
Agreed that the most liveable cities really exist already, and they are all older, walkable, and predate cars. These new ecotechnic utopian proposals fetishize efficiency and convenience. They also completely fail to capture what makes a city great.

It's sad, because in the US, there are actually a lot of good templates for new cities, designed for growth on the outset, that strike a balance between dense and verdant. The oldest part of places like Savannah, Charleston, New Orleans, smaller college towns, streetcar suburbs, ... It's so weird that when new suburbs are built, why they are not just straight up copying those 19th century templates.

Re:Plans for a new city in the American desert by schrijver on Thursday September 09, 2021 @08:08AM (#28468763)
Almere and Lelystad come to mind, built from the 70ies onwards in the Netherlands on land reclaimed from the sea. They’re relatively small but still impressive to me, with decent public transport and excellent biking infrastructure. Of course many people prefer older cities with more ‘character’ but if it’s your thing the architecture really is quite nice.

Dutch urbanism is good but it requires a lot of trust in the government. Urbanists make top down plans, and then work together with property developers to create neighbourhoods. These property developers have to follow a lot of rules and guidelines and there are municipal committees that check whether the architecture is good enough for example. Top down urbanism is often seen as a recipe for disaster, but it seems to work there. I guess there are enough feedback loops in the system so that urbanists get a clue about what people like and implement that. For example, people like living close to water so constructing a neighbourhood often coincides with creating lots of canals and ponds.

Re:Plans for a new city in the American desert by chrisseaton on Monday September 06, 2021 @09:12PM (#28439783)
I lived in Port Sunlight in the UK. It's delightful - I don't think it really has or had any planning or social issues. For the first few years there weren't any pubs due to the temperance politics of the founder, but it does now.

The English did planned villages really well.

Re:Plans for a new city in the American desert by energybar on Monday September 06, 2021 @05:40PM (#28438418)
Re:Plans for a new city in the American desert by hn_throwaway_99 on Monday September 06, 2021 @07:18PM (#28439169)
If your idea of the pinnacle of a planned community is a big, car-dependent suburb with big office parks and a wide away of chain theme restaurants...
Re:Plans for a new city in the American desert by fortran77 on Monday September 06, 2021 @08:49PM (#28439672)
Washington, DC, sort of.
Re:Plans for a new city in the American desert by decasteve on Monday September 06, 2021 @09:34PM (#28439902)
Re:Plans for a new city in the American desert by hollerith on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @12:12AM (#28440851)
>have there ever been any "cities from the ground up" projects that don't turn out to be total shit?

Irvine, California (current population, 300,000) was developed by a private corporation.

Development started in the 1960s.

Re:Plans for a new city in the American desert by xerxes777 on Monday September 06, 2021 @01:39PM (#28436080)
Saint Petersburg
Re:Plans for a new city in the American desert by prawn on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @03:30AM (#28454195)
Have there been master planned cities of any reasonable size, designed in the modern era, but minimising the role of cars?
Re:Plans for a new city in the American desert by bluGill on Monday September 06, 2021 @08:03PM (#28439433)
Suburbs most likely. They are close to places people want to be. Cities in the middle of nnowhere don't work.
Re:Plans for a new city in the American desert by boomboomsubban on Monday September 06, 2021 @12:42PM (#28435482)
Dubai? Not really something to emulate though. Hong Kong, Singapore, and Taipei also kind of fit.
Re:Plans for a new city in the American desert by throw0101a on Monday September 06, 2021 @01:01PM (#28435703)
> Dubai?

I have heard that Dubai does not have street names, so giving directions and arranging deliveries can be… challenging. Is this statement accurate?

Re:Plans for a new city in the American desert by hn_throwaway_99 on Monday September 06, 2021 @01:33PM (#28436015)
I think "missing street names" is probably #2879 on the prioritized list of things that make Dubai the best example of a complete modern dystopia.
Re:Plans for a new city in the American desert by IdontRememberIt on Monday September 06, 2021 @05:22PM (#28438252)
These are not private initiatives. They were the will of powerful, bright and respected people.
Re:Plans for a new city in the American desert by boomboomsubban on Monday September 06, 2021 @06:28PM (#28438825)
Private people can't be powerful, bright, and respected? Plus their example was Brasilia, not a private initiative either.

>They were the will of powerful, bright and respected people.

Not the first adjectives I'd use to describe imperialists, colonialists and warlords personally.

Re:Plans for a new city in the American desert by IdontRememberIt on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @06:35PM (#28463895)
The "fathers" of Dubai, Singapore, etc are highly respected and loved by the locals. Of course there are counter-exemples.
Re:Plans for a new city in the American desert by spoonjim on Monday September 06, 2021 @12:44PM (#28435512)
Daybreak in Utah is really good.
Re:Plans for a new city in the American desert by seattle_spring on Monday September 06, 2021 @05:56PM (#28438536)
Daybreak [1] is just a big suburb. It's a far cry from a self-sufficient city built from the ground up.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daybreak_(community)