Revolt: Open-source alternative to Discord

Re:Revolt: Open-source alternative to Discord by OJFord on Monday September 06, 2021 @11:58AM (#28434983)

It's interesting, I suspect we all have our thing we avoid like that - for me it's Java stuff. I don't say that to 'defend' node, I'm no JS fan boy or particularly experienced with it, it just doesn't bother me the way Java stuff does - the dread I have for a Java stack trace appearing from something I'm trying to run is enough to make me see if there's an equivalent that ticks the same boxes in another language!

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Re:Revolt: Open-source alternative to Discord by brabel on Monday September 06, 2021 @12:27PM (#28435310)

These days Java applications are supposed to embed the JVM using jlink images or even native installer (see jpackage). So you shouldn't even know if the app is written in Java when you run it.

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Re:Revolt: Open-source alternative to Discord by nick__m on Monday September 06, 2021 @01:32PM (#28436004)

As someone who now does more operation than devloppement, I want my server side Java app to run on a full JVM, attaching jconsle or jstack to a running process is so usefull. No other runtime on Linux gives the observability you get by default when you run on a full JVM.

On Windows that another story since you have ETW which is incredible and works with anything. But on Linux, if your application doesn't offer observability, you have to resort to strace and adhoc EBPF that you have to write, to diagnose a missbehaving application in production.

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Re:Revolt: Open-source alternative to Discord by vips7L on Monday September 06, 2021 @03:13PM (#28436940)

The problem with jpackage/jlink is that most teams are stuck on an antiquated runtime and those tools didn’t ship until Java 14 (correct me if I’m wrong about the version). My own company is still making new projects on Java 8.

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Re:Revolt: Open-source alternative to Discord by brabel on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @06:29AM (#28455246)

At work, we use some pretty complex stuff in our builds, including linking to C libs, Groovy testing, Kotlin modules, as well as the majority of the code in Java. It took quite a lot of effort, but we managed to move to Java 11 this year.

It's great to be able to use new Java language/platform features. We're moving to Java 17 next year once the dust settles (it will be the first LTS release in 3 years and comes up this month - Sep 2021)... it will be a much easier migration as there's nothing like the big Java 9 barrier to cross.

I can't understand why anyone would start something new in Java 8, all traditional Java tooling already works really well with Java 11 and even Java 17.

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Re:Revolt: Open-source alternative to Discord by vips7L on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @09:43AM (#28456836)

> I can't understand why anyone would start something new in Java 8,

Quite frankly: they just don't know better and they just don't care. I could go on for pages, but in short the people running the show are just really inexperienced and are pretending not to be. I'm going to start applying for jobs soon as its beginning to feel hopeless.

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