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Re:Are we on the road to civilisation collapse? (2019) by enriquto on Monday September 06, 2021 @02:02AM (#28430844)
> My favorite conspiracy theory is that the CCP is sowing the division within us to drive us to civil war, whereby they win WWIII without ever firing a shot.

How is this a conspiracy theory and how is this a bad thing? The so-called Cold War (i.e., WWIII) was won by the USA "without ever firing a shot", by exactly the same method: sowing division within the socialist bloc. Do you think that the U.S.-influenced division of its enemies was a bad thing? Would you have preferred an all-out war between the two nuclear powers?

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Re:Are we on the road to civilisation collapse? (2019) by nebula8804 on Monday September 06, 2021 @02:42AM (#28431088)
Some would argue the actions of the US in Afghanistan during the Cold War led to 9/11 as blowback. That one event permanently altered the US's path and helped to show that the empire is declining.
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Re:Are we on the road to civilisation collapse? (2019) by roenxi on Monday September 06, 2021 @03:55AM (#28431470)
In terms of civilisational collapse 9/11 is meaningless, and all of the damage done by response was a series of unforced errors on the US's part. They didn't have to tear off a nose to spite their face.
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Re:Are we on the road to civilisation collapse? (2019) by nebula8804 on Monday September 06, 2021 @04:46AM (#28431706)
>They didn't have to tear off a nose to spite their face.

That is the civilizational decline made clear by 9/11.

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Re:Are we on the road to civilisation collapse? (2019) by fuzzfactor on Monday September 06, 2021 @02:43PM (#28436685)
Actually it was the Soviets that were in Afghanistan during the Cold War, not the US.
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Re:Are we on the road to civilisation collapse? (2019) by nebula8804 on Monday September 06, 2021 @03:27PM (#28437055)
Are you seriously ignoring the US's role in arming the mujahideen?
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Re:Are we on the road to civilisation collapse? (2019) by fuzzfactor on Monday September 06, 2021 @05:31PM (#28438335)
Not at all but somebody else would have done it anyway.

The Soviet Army's fate was sealed not much differently than the US Army's was early into the operations.

Others having much more to lose through Soviet aggression would have stepped up to the plate except US arms dealers had first right of refusal for things like this.

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Re:Are we on the road to civilisation collapse? (2019) by LeonB on Monday September 06, 2021 @03:07AM (#28431215)
Re “without firing a shot” - the US fought several proxy wars as part of the “Cold” War and fired a lot of shots.
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