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Re:Are we on the road to civilisation collapse? (2019) by kortilla on Monday September 06, 2021 @01:14AM (#28430531)
> To be honest I sometimes wonder why the US gov't doesn't put CCP/Russia on blast and make Americans more aware of this.

Because CCP/Russia have already incorporated this into their disinformation campaigns. Anything anti-china is attacked as racist/nationalist. It got so radioactive that the government had to change the pattern they used to name pandemics.

Re:Are we on the road to civilisation collapse? (2019) by dane-pgp on Monday September 06, 2021 @01:40AM (#28430694)
> the pattern they used to name pandemics.

What pattern is that, exactly? Looking at the Wikipedia list of worldwide pandemics with more than 1 million deaths[0], only two were named after places, and one of those ("Spanish flu") was the result of wartime misinformation and/or racism.

Admittedly the other example on that list is "Hong Kong flu" from 1968–1969, but there are other recent outbreaks which are not included, like SARS, Swine flu, and Bird flu.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics#Major_epidem...

Re:Are we on the road to civilisation collapse? (2019) by SideburnsOfDoom on Monday September 06, 2021 @03:01AM (#28431177)
> What pattern is that, exactly?

That pattern used now (e.g. for COVID-19) is this:

World Health Organization Best Practices for the Naming of New Human Infectious Diseases (2015)

https://www.who.int/news/item/08-05-2015-who-issues-best-pra...

https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/163636/WHO_...

This is an improvement, as they note, on names that "provoke a backlash against members of particular religious or ethnic communities". The world has moved on since the "Spanish Flu" was named.

But I think that saying "the government had to change the pattern they used to name pandemics [because of China specifically]" is likely a misattribution and oversimplification of these guidelines.

The idea that "the government names pandemics" is both too general - a government is a huge diverse structure, if this was a governmental role, some named health body within it would have this responsibility; and also too specific - "the" government? which country's government would take on that role?

And it's not accurate - this is not any one country's government's role. Point of fact, COVID-19 was named by WHO: https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2...

Re:Are we on the road to civilisation collapse? (2019) by ralph84 on Monday September 06, 2021 @02:49AM (#28431119)
Here are the viruses targeted by this year's flu vaccine. Since the flu hasn't been politicized yet they're still using places in the names.

A/Victoria/2570/2019 or A/Wisconsin/588/2019

A/Cambodia/e0826360/2020

B/Washington/02/2019

B/Phuket/3073/2013

Re:Are we on the road to civilisation collapse? (2019) by SideburnsOfDoom on Monday September 06, 2021 @03:06AM (#28431209)
None of those are pandemics (parent's phrase) or "new human infectious diseases" (WHO term).

https://www.who.int/news/item/08-05-2015-who-issues-best-pra...

Re:Are we on the road to civilisation collapse? (2019) by Aunche on Monday September 06, 2021 @02:46AM (#28431105)
I'm with you that Chinese/Russian propaganda is a real thing, but your example is ridiculous.

> Anything anti-china is attacked as racist/nationalist.

This response always comes up when someone tries to point out racist and nationalist anti-china motivations, so clearly this argument is propaganda as well /s.

> It got so radioactive that the government had to change the pattern they used to name pandemics.

The Spanish Flu was named that way precisely so everyone would blame Spain. The participants of WWI censored any mention of the pandemic until the war was over, so Spain served as a convenient scapegoat.

This paper published by Harvard is an analysis of actual CCP propaganda tactics [1]. Arguing with people online about an issue you dislike just brings more attention to it. Instead, propaganda generally serves to distract. The average Redditor has no direct impact foreign policy in China, but they can riled up enough to cause politicians to focus on placating them rather than geopolitics. Indeed, if you observe the Russian propaganda ads on Facebook, they have nothing to do with Russia [2]. They're simply meant to sow discord.

[1] https://gking.harvard.edu/files/gking/files/50c.pdf

[2] https://cbsnews.com/media/russian-ads-on-facebook-a-gallery/