Thomas Nagel: Thoughts Are Real (2013)

Re:Thomas Nagel: Thoughts Are Real (2013) by pierrebai on Sunday September 05, 2021 @07:04PM (#28428602)

I'll say this colloquially and rhetorically (as I have little real interest in what the probably contorted answer might be), but I wonder how it can possibly account for the vast early period of time since the big bang when there was no consciousness.

Or was consciousness-created reality all made up on the spot on the birth of the first conscience?

And how has it been kept consistent through the life of all different consciences?

I think the simple fact that, for example, separated tribes of people have lived for millennium within a physically identical world is kinda a dead give-away that reality lives independently of consciousness.

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Re:Thomas Nagel: Thoughts Are Real (2013) by Sol2Sol on Sunday September 05, 2021 @07:32PM (#28428769)

Based on Hoffman's theory the reason there is consistency in how the world is viewed and experienced across tribes is because we are born with similar gear - something akin to a built in VR headset. Hoffman gives several examples in the book of objects we create on the fly that are not really there - we call them visual illusions - based on our unconscious visual intelligence logic rules.

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Re:Thomas Nagel: Thoughts Are Real (2013) by pierrebai on Sunday September 05, 2021 @08:47PM (#28429185)

So, hum, multiple consciousnesses create the same reality because our bodies, which are part of reality, are similar? Sounds to me this implies reality came first, but I'm just a simple man, not a book-writing philosopher.

... and the good old "visual illusions therefore 'anything'". About the level of argument sophistication I expected.

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